fina

[ROCKETW19]

shit i dont want no part of this but i have to say i have never changed on any kind of gear not even tren but thats just me. but one thing i will get into is the part where people are givin the wrong advice and you dont say anything thats just fucked up.

[BENCH355ANIMAL]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
Very inaccurate.

Have you done tren YJ? Because I'm on the shit right now, and I can tell you this is not inaccurate. I'm a relatively laid back guy, but I get pretty upset about the the most minute things since I started it. I know it's not the test, because I was on it for 8 weeks before starting the tren. I get pissed, and cop an attitude when people come in my office asking questions. So I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. I threw a fit on my girl the other day because she wouldn't have sex with me, and went stormin down the stairs telling her I was gonna leave her. Did I mention I never act like this especially to the woman I love whom just had our son. Different people have different side effects to different substances. You don't need higher education or research to know this. It's common knowledge. This is why you always here side effects to new drugs on t.v. ("Although side effects are rare, they may include dry mouth, diarhea, stomach pains, and nose bleeds") Those "rare" sides are because during clinical studies a few out of the thousands who volunteered had those side effects. It may not effect the majority, but don't tell me I don't know I'm more aggressive. Maybe I should have worded the phrase, "Side effects of tren, although rare can be increased aggression, short fuse, and limp dick" Is that better Mr. Guru:dunno:

[Mr I]

Tren is allegedly seven times more androgenic than Test esters on a mg for mg comparason, thats acconding to anabolics guide.

If androgens are responsible for agression then thats why the aggression on tren. I tried the original Parabolon some time ago and it made me want to train very aggressive and my sweat from my lower back stank of babies nappies/amonia

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by BENCH355ANIMAL
Have you done tren YJ? Because I'm on the shit right now, and I can tell you this is not inaccurate. I'm a relatively laid back guy, but I get pretty upset about the the most minute things since I started it. I know it's not the test, because I was on it for 8 weeks before starting the tren. I get pissed, and cop an attitude when people come in my office asking questions. So I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. I threw a fit on my girl the other day because she wouldn't have sex with me, and went stormin down the stairs telling her I was gonna leave her. Did I mention I never act like this especially to the woman I love whom just had our son. Different people have different side effects to different substances. You don't need higher education or research to know this. It's common knowledge. This is why you always here side effects to new drugs on t.v. ("Although side effects are rare, they may include dry mouth, diarhea, stomach pains, and nose bleeds") Those "rare" sides are because during clinical studies a few out of the thousands who volunteered had those side effects. It may not effect the majority, but don't tell me I don't know I'm more aggressive. Maybe I should have worded the phrase, "Side effects of tren, although rare can be increased aggression, short fuse, and limp dick" Is that better Mr. Guru:dunno:

if youre an asshole, youre an asshole, dont blame the tren or use it as a scapegoat for "blowing up".

[oswald]

do we need to put on the glove guys. Just kidding thanks for the info.

[therock]

It has been proven that tren gets into the brain. Now I dont know what it does when it enters the brain but that should tell you something right there.

[GreekTank]

Originally posted by therock
It has been proven that tren gets into the brain. Now I dont know what it does when it enters the brain but that should tell you something right there.

Bro, what do you mean tren gets into the brain? permenant damage stuff? what does Test and other anabolics do?

[GreekTank]

Originally posted by Mr incredible
Tren is allegedly seven times more androgenic than Test esters on a mg for mg comparason, thats acconding to anabolics guide.

If androgens are responsible for agression then thats why the aggression on tren. I tried the original Parabolon some time ago and it made me want to train very aggressive and my sweat from my lower back stank of babies nappies/amonia

Incredible! how's it going buddy, good to hear from you!

[therock]

Here is your answer from a quote I got off of a tren profile.
Especially negative is the characteristically high aggressive-ness of athletes. "Fina" gets into your brain and can cause consider-able mood swings in its users. One is extremely irritable and can "act out" quite abruptly. Daniel Duchaine in his Underground Steroid Handbook 2 hits the nail on the head: "Someone on Finajet is no fun to be with."

[GreekTank]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
lol.... let me guess? You can finally get a boner? Think that has anything to do with the NO increase your body goes through from the consumption of tribulus? Wait, you didnt know that, you assumed it was from increased testosterone.

www.pubmed.com

Go there and search for tribulus and see what a joke it is....

Bro, what am I looking for? I read something about Sheep being fucked up after taking tribulus. Need assistance in finding where it says it dosen't raise Testosterone. Bro why is it when you take it you feel stronger working out & libido wise, is that the NO raising mechanism you're talking about? If that is no good, then why the mass publicity on it for Testosterone elevation?
What can someone take to boost natural Testoserone bro?

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by therock
Here is your answer from a quote I got off of a tren profile.
Especially negative is the characteristically high aggressive-ness of athletes. "Fina" gets into your brain and can cause consider-able mood swings in its users. One is extremely irritable and can "act out" quite abruptly. Daniel Duchaine in his Underground Steroid Handbook 2 hits the nail on the head: "Someone on Finajet is no fun to be with."

God bless Double D, but this is comically blown out of proportion.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by GreekTank
Bro, what am I looking for? I read something about Sheep being fucked up after taking tribulus. Need assistance in finding where it says it dosen't raise Testosterone. Bro why is it when you take it you feel stronger working out & libido wise, is that the NO raising mechanism you're talking about? If that is no good, then why the mass publicity on it for Testosterone elevation?
What can someone take to boost natural Testoserone bro?

Why the publicity of Cell Tech being the most anaoblic creatine ever! Supplement market hyper my friend. Tribulus is good if youre coming off cycle and need some help downstairs, but as far as increasing testosterone, nothing. Give me 10-15 minutes and Ill find my references.

[therock]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
God bless Double D, but this is comically blown out of proportion.

Ive taken tren b4 and nothing as far as getting me mad happened. But I will say everyone else I know around here has to take vicodine or something like that so they wont be all pissed of while on. But I just found this interesting quote that I wanted to share with yall. It maybe different on people.

[YellowJacket]

No, dont get me wrong, good work on digging it up, props to you and your researching skills.... more people need to do that on their own on these forums.

[YellowJacket]

Some Tribulus info. from my friend Draven:

Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab 2000 Sep;10(3):340-59 Related Articles, Links


Effects of anabolic precursors on serum testosterone concentrations and adaptations to resistance training in young men.

Brown GA, Vukovich MD, Reifenrath TA, Uhl NL, Parsons KA, Sharp RL, King DS.

Exercise Biochemistry Laboratory, Department of Health and Human Performance, Iowa State University, Ames, IA 50011, USA.

The effects of androgen precursors, combined with herbal extracts designed to enhance testosterone formation and reduce conversion of androgens to estrogens was studied in young men. Subjects performed 3 days of resistance training per week for 8 weeks. Each day during Weeks 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, and 8, subjects consumed either placebo (PL; n = 10) or a supplement (ANDRO-6; n = 10), which contained daily doses of 300 mg androstenedione, 150 mg DHEA, 750 mg Tribulus terrestris, 625 mg Chrysin, 300 mg Indole-3-carbinol, and 540 mg Saw palmetto. Serum androstenedione concentrations were higher in ANDRO-6 after 2, 5, and 8 weeks (p <.05), while serum concentrations of free and total testosterone were unchanged in both groups. Serum estradiol was elevated at Weeks 2, 5, and 8 in ANDRO-6 (p <.05), and serum estrone was elevated at Weeks 5 and 8 (p <.05). Muscle strength increased (p <.05) similarly from Weeks 0 to 4, and again from Weeks 4 to 8 in both treatment groups. The acute effect of one third of the daily dose of ANDRO-6 and PL was studied in 10 men (23 +/- 4 years). Serum androstenedione concentrations were elevated (p <.05) in ANDRO-6 from 150 to 360 min after ingestion, while serum free or total testosterone concentrations were unchanged. These data provide evidence that the addition of these herbal extracts to androstenedione does not result in increased serum testosterone concentrations, reduce the estrogenic effect of androstenedione, and does not augment the adaptations to resistance training.

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As you can see even at 750 mg Tribulus terrestris combined with DHEA, saw plamento, andro etc. still had no effect on serum free or total testosterone concentrations.

Now there was a similar study performed on men 30-59 that did find an increase in free testosterone levels with the above combo but no destinction could be made as to which of the ingredients caused such an increase and no increase was found in Serum concentrations of total testosterone.

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Int J Vitam Nutr Res 2001 Sep;71(5):293-301 Related Articles, Links


Effects of androstenedione-herbal supplementation on serum sex hormone concentrations in 30- to 59-year-old men.

Brown GA, Vukovich MD, Martini ER, Kohut ML, Franke WD, Jackson DA, King DS.

Exercise Biochemistry Laboratory, Department of Health and Human Performance, Iowa State University, Ames, IA, USA.

The effectiveness of a nutritional supplement designed to enhance serum testosterone concentrations and prevent the formation of dihydrotestosterone and estrogens from the ingested androgens was investigated in healthy 30- to 59-year old men. Subjects were randomly assigned to consume DION (300 mg androstenedione, 150 mg dehydroepiandrosterone, 540 mg saw palmetto, 300 mg indole-3-carbinol, 625 mg chrysin, and 750 mg Tribulus terrestris per day; n = 28) or placebo (n = 27) for 28 days. Serum free testosterone, total testosterone, androstenedione, dihydrotestosterone, estradiol, prostate-specific antigen (PSA), and lipid concentrations were measured before and throughout the 4-week supplementation period. Serum concentrations of total testosterone and PSA were unchanged by supplementation. DION increased (p < 0.05) serum androstenedione (342%), free testosterone (38%), dihydrotestosterone (71%), and estradiol (103%) concentrations. Serum HDL-C concentrations were reduced by 5.0 mg/dL in DION (p < 0.05). Increases in serum free testosterone (r2 = 0.01), androstenedione (r2 = 0.01), dihydrotestosterone (r2 = 0.03), or estradiol (r2 = 0.07) concentrations in DION were not related to age. While the ingestion of androstenedione combined with herbal products increased serum free testosterone concentrations in older men, these herbal products did not prevent the conversion of ingested androstenedione to estradiol and dihydrotestosterone.