Which Cycle Would Cause The Most Lean Muscle Growth???

[wheyman]

Originally posted by therock
What brand is the gear? Also let us know what route you will take. Also I think you need to really think about what I said. I think that 400-500mg rule is BS. Everytime I tell someone to run 250mgs on their 1st cycle they grow like crazy because I help them through their diet. Also you get a chance to see how your body responds to everything.

I will be using Powerline gear, it is awesome! It's way better than QV and animal power. Here is what my bulking cycle will look like.

Weeks 1-16
Sust 250 mg week
Deca 300 mg week
HCG 250iu's twice a week through whole cycle
Nolvadex @ 40mg throughout whole cycle

PCT
HCG 250iu's weeks 1-4
Nolvadex dosages not sure yet
clomid three weeks after last injection, dosages not sure yet

(I always forget the dosages for clomid and nolva so I will have to look it up again)

That's the easy part, the diet is where it will become complicated..This is a "rough draft" of my bulking diet.

6am
2 cups of oatmeal
2 pc wheat toast
1 glass of OJ
Protein shake

9am
wheat bagel w/steak

12pm
bowl of wheat pasta mixed with steak or chicken
2 slices of fat free cheese
reduced fat parmasan (sp?) cheese

3pm
bagel
handful of almonds
tunafish

6pm
Steak or chicken breast
broccoli
Corn

9pm
protein shake
hand full of almonds

[therock]

It looks good to me. I will further review it when I get back from this interview. Peace.

[Millineum Man]

Originally posted by therock
What brand is the gear? Also let us know what route you will take. Also I think you need to really think about what I said. I think that 400-500mg rule is BS. Everytime I tell someone to run 250mgs on their 1st cycle they grow like crazy because I help them through their diet. Also you get a chance to see how your body responds to everything.

Rock, thanks for replying! I've never really thought about going with Test@250mgs/wk because most of the time everyone says 400-500mgs/wk is mandatory for a First cycle. If you mention 250mgs of Test a week, guys would instantly say it's NOT enough. The brand of gear I plan on using is UG and supposed to be VERY good stuff. I seen the lab results on the Test, Deca & EQ. and it was slightly over 300mgs/ml. The Cyp is 300mgs/ml and the Deca is 300mgs/ml. What if I did this?

Test Cypionate@300mgs for 16 weeks
Deca@200mgs for 12 weeks
HCG@250ius twice a week
Nolvadex@20mgs ED

The Deca is mainly for joint lubrication. I had ACL surgery on my knee about 6 years ago. Stats: 30 years old, 6'3" 225lbs and 8-9% bodyfat. My goal is to reach 250lbs while staying at 9-10% bodyfat. What do you think?

[therock]

Originally posted by Millineum Man
Rock, thanks for replying! I've never really thought about going with Test@250mgs/wk because most of the time everyone says 400-500mgs/wk is mandatory for a First cycle. If you mention 250mgs of Test a week, guys would instantly say it's NOT enough. The brand of gear I plan on using is UG and supposed to be VERY good stuff. I seen the lab results on the Test, Deca & EQ. and it was slightly over 300mgs/ml. The Cyp is 300mgs/ml and the Deca is 300mgs/ml. What if I did this?

Test Cypionate@300mgs for 16 weeks
Deca@200mgs for 12 weeks
HCG@250ius twice a week
Nolvadex@20mgs ED

The Deca is mainly for joint lubrication. I had ACL surgery on my knee about 6 years ago. Stats: 30 years old, 6'3" 225lbs and 8-9% bodyfat. My goal is to reach 250lbs while staying at 9-10% bodyfat. What do you think?

The test sounds good. The deca run at that dose for 5-6wks and if you dont notice any lubrication bump it up to 300mgs a week. The nolva dont use it unless you see signs of gyno, reason being studies have shown that nolva at 20mgs or more ed reduces the effects on aas. Other then that sounds really good. I think you are making a very good choice to take a small amount of aas.

[therock]

Originally posted by wheyman
I will be using Powerline gear, it is awesome! It's way better than QV and animal power. Here is what my bulking cycle will look like.

Weeks 1-16
Sust 250 mg week
Deca 300 mg week
HCG 250iu's twice a week through whole cycle
Nolvadex @ 40mg throughout whole cycle

PCT
HCG 250iu's weeks 1-4
Nolvadex dosages not sure yet
clomid three weeks after last injection, dosages not sure yet

(I always forget the dosages for clomid and nolva so I will have to look it up again)

That's the easy part, the diet is where it will become complicated..This is a "rough draft" of my bulking diet.

6am
2 cups of oatmeal
2 pc wheat toast
1 glass of OJ
Protein shake

9am
wheat bagel w/steak

12pm
bowl of wheat pasta mixed with steak or chicken
2 slices of fat free cheese
reduced fat parmasan (sp?) cheese

3pm
bagel
handful of almonds
tunafish

6pm
Steak or chicken breast
broccoli
Corn

9pm
protein shake
hand full of almonds

I like the diet, it is decent but you need to remove the bagels and cheese and substitute it with something else. Also dont run nolva until you see signs of gyno and def. dont run it at 40mgs ed. If you have to run it at 20mgs ed. Read the last post above to see why.

[wheyman]

AHHHHH, no cheese!!! I can't eat the pasta without the cheese!!!! I thought fat free cheese was good for you, no? I can do without the bagels I guess..What could I use in place for carbs? brown rice?

[wheyman]

forgot to ask, why are the bagels bad?

[JUICE]

Originally posted by therock
So why not reccomend the same for him bro, why tell him 400mgs if youve seen the results, just curious?

yeah, i grew good with 250 of sostenon a week but that was when i didnt know much about steroids. That was back in 99' or 2000. I just heard friends telling me to take it for weeks. Went around 8 or so. I didnt know pct either. All i know is that i got bigger, some fat and some muscle but i was no longer skinny.

Im no expert, but i did gain good with 250mgs a week but why i say 400mgs is because its not that too low of a dose and not to high either just there. Good enough (nuteral) for some good gains, if combined with a good diet, rest, and training. I just feel better 400 is an ok dosage, imo

[Millineum Man]

Originally posted by wheyman
I will be using Powerline gear, it is awesome! It's way better than QV and animal power. Here is what my bulking cycle will look like.

Weeks 1-16
Sust 250 mg week
Deca 300 mg week
HCG 250iu's twice a week through whole cycle
Nolvadex @ 40mg throughout whole cycle

PCT
HCG 250iu's weeks 1-4
Nolvadex dosages not sure yet
clomid three weeks after last injection, dosages not sure yet

(I always forget the dosages for clomid and nolva so I will have to look it up again)

That's the easy part, the diet is where it will become complicated..This is a "rough draft" of my bulking diet.

6am
2 cups of oatmeal
2 pc wheat toast
1 glass of OJ
Protein shake

9am
wheat bagel w/steak

12pm
bowl of wheat pasta mixed with steak or chicken
2 slices of fat free cheese
reduced fat parmasan (sp?) cheese

3pm
bagel
handful of almonds
tunafish

6pm
Steak or chicken breast
broccoli
Corn

9pm
protein shake
hand full of almonds

Wheyman, I don't know your stats, but you need more carbs in your diet. Especially, when training for size & strength. You should shoot for at least 2.5 times your bodyweight in carbs and 1.5 times your bodyweight in protein. The carbs you should eat are brown rice, oatmeal & sweet potatoes(low GI carbs).

[therock]

Originally posted by JUICE
yeah, i grew good with 250 of sostenon a week but that was when i didnt know much about steroids. That was back in 99' or 2000. I just heard friends telling me to take it for weeks. Went around 8 or so. I didnt know pct either. All i know is that i got bigger, some fat and some muscle but i was no longer skinny.

Im no expert, but i did gain good with 250mgs a week but why i say 400mgs is because its not that too low of a dose and not to high either just there. Good enough (nuteral) for some good gains, if combined with a good diet, rest, and training. I just feel better 400 is an ok dosage, imo

But you do agree with a very good diet w/ 250mgs a week you can grow really good, right.

[therock]

you can also use grits and yams aswell.