another steroid arguement thread

[muddy]

Doing things that drags a person below average (rec drugs, smoking, drinking) doesn't scare the average loudmouth as much as doing things that may make him/her faster, stronger, etc.

[INTIMID8OR]

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Thanks .... :D

[JUICE]

I agree....just do em' and be happy. Fuck the legality and fuck what other people think.

i agree with u hitman

this is probably the only place i discuss anabolics. Here at home I just go to the gym, train, if people ask questions, I simply say I dont know and dont use them.

[toobigforyou]

its simple, knowledge vs. ignorance and narrowmindedness

I agree with you bro!

[Ironweb]

I have had this discussion a time or two with close friends. I tell them I use it for the simple purpose they work and used intelligently can be done with little side effects. My question is why is it OK for a woman or man to go into a plastic Surgeon and get new breast, liposuction, butt implants or fuller lips. The list goes on. I further explained you can go to a doctor and say “I should have been a woman” pump estrogen through your body and that is ok as well.

HOWEVER mention that you use steroids to become a bigger better man to improve what God has given you and you’re a scum for it. Hell we have to work to get what we want unlike a surgeon who just cuts you up.

Anyways people are fucking stupid about it and I have come to the point that I don’t care what they think. It used to piss me off when people would say it’s all those illegal vitamins that you take hahaha. Well fuck you too asswipe and shove another Twinkie down your fat ass throat. I work my ass off everyday after work pushing my body past anything you could ever do jackass. However now I just smile and say thank you my friend obviously what I am doing is working.

[KING DAVID 2]

All I can say is where are all the bodies from steroid use? Ah yeah they are in the fucking desert where our soldiers are dying every day.Their heads are so far up there ass it isn't even funny.Congress wants to take the publics mind off of the real issues at hand.:pimpslap

[moneyshot11]

I made my points in a comparable thread. The argument to legalize or to justify the legalization of anabolic steroids is simply comical and really not worth the time debating.

Yea i know i read that thread which made me think of my topic.

My first post wasnt about legalizing or justifying legalization. it was basically a rant or myself venting on how my friends who drink, eat like slobs and dont keep themselves in shape is taking its toll on there body just as much or worse than a person taking steroids.

They tell me that taking steroids is bad for a person-health wise. yet as they sit there binge drinking night in and night out with a bag of cheetos-and prob havent lifted a weight in years.

So :sillyfu:

Kind of like a fat ass doctor who smokes telling the patient not to smoke and eat right. Kinda like a hypocrite.

[Puma]

But here is the problem with what you (and I, and pretty much everyone on juice does) do. When we lie, people assume that all they have to do is go to the gym, eat right, train hard, and they will look like us. When they do this for a period of time and they look NOTHING like us they get pissed; leave, and go back to the twinkies and burbon.

Now, honestly, for us, that's a good thing. We are the ones that are "in the know" have the muscles, get the looks, etc. If everyone was juiced we would not be as "excpetional" anymore. However, fuck all that. I feel bad for these people, we are setting them up for failure, and indirectly, leading some people to an early death ("I can't look anything like Juice, its impossible, fuck it, I am going to give up and starting "partying" again"). How many of those people walk out of the gym discouraged, never walk back in, and die of complications from obesity? Its sad; I don't want to lie to these people, I just don't want to go to jail either. I fucking hate it, I feel like a hypocrite everytime a someone comes up to me and says "Man, you look great, what are you taking"?

The only people I answer honestly to are other people on steroids, who obviously already know that I am taking "something" illegal, and just want to know what it is. So we develop this class system of those who are "in the know" and those who are not.

People are totally desensitized to what a "steroid user" looks like anymore its almost funny. They look at Jay Cutler, and say "Think he is taking something?". Are you fucking kidding me? But even worse is that they look at people like actors and entertainers (Nelly, Marky Mark, etc) and don't even consider the possiblity that they are taking anything. Let me clue you in people, almost everyone you see on TV or in the movies is on something. Those arms are just as fake as Jay's there is just not as much test and time in the actors/entertainers. And if anyone tells me that most of the 35+ people in Hollywood are not on growth I might just laugh right in their faces.

Its so stupid, we setup this ideal for people to adhere to that is a "pipe dream" if your not chemically enhanced. Honestly, I think its a hell of a lot safer to try to live up to the "steroid" image of Hollywood for a man then it is for women to live up to the "waif" ideal. People die from complications of anorexia, I am still waiting for the FIRST report of direct death from steroid use. But at least they don't go to jail. Their "habit" is acceptable, so long as they don't die on the set.

Sad, so sad.

Sorry for those that read my other thread, as this is a bit of a recap. However, you KNOW I had to say something! :)

Puma
:madfu:

i agree with u hitman

this is probably the only place i discuss anabolics. Here at home I just go to the gym, train, if people ask questions, I simply say I dont know and dont use them.

[beefcake]

I'm sure if they were able to tax them, they'd be legal. If only, then we'd be able to get the shit at toys r us.

[Puma]

They CAN tax them; the govt can tax whatever in the hell it wants. The problem is that if they make them legal (even with a heafty tax) what happens to Pro sports? They still not allowed to do them? I think that is definately the only answer that makes sense, but then you run into the situation with the 350 lb neighbor that is faster, leaner, and stronger then any NFL linebacker. Games of footbal in your local park will show better athleticism then professionals. People will lose interest in pro sports. Now, that's not really what I think would happen, but I think that is what people are worried about. The truth of the matter is that people are lazy, even with all the juice in the world at their local CVS, most people would choose not to take it. Those that did would put on weight, and probably quickly realize that all the juice in the world will not let them eat like shit, party all night, and still have a pro caliber body.

But fuck all those lazy bastards. The people I worry about are those who come to the gym every day for 6 months to 1 year. They eventually quit because after their time in there everyday they can BARLEY see a difference in their physiques. These are the people who are really being injured by the govt's policy on steroids. These people may make a lifelong commitment to health if only SOMEONE noticed.

Ahh, fuck it. You guys know how I feel about this. :) Not much more to say. How can cigarettes be legal and steroids not? We have 1000s of deaths directly related to smoking. How many from steroids????

Puma

I'm sure if they were able to tax them, they'd be legal. If only, then we'd be able to get the shit at toys r us.

[moneyshot11]

Puma-

Yea i agree with what you are saying but i think you are missing my first post's point. Im not argueing about legalization or why it should/could be legalized ect

Maybe i didnt explain it good enough.

Basically i find it funny how my overweight beer drinking cheetos eating friends say that putting steroids in your body is bad for you. That in the long run your body will fall apart die-ect.

I find it funny that they have the balls to say something like that when they dont do one type of activitity to better themselves or there bodies.

I feel like saying if im doing steroids (and thats all they think i just shoot a needle and dont have to work out hard, eat, train, sleep ect) its not nearly as bad on my body as what you are doing to your body by eating, drinking not working out.....you see what im saying kinda?

I wasnt trying to start an arguement much rather a vent-to see if other people have run into people like this.

[moneyshot11]

and dont get me wrong-if people dont want to work out eat right drink 3-4 times a week...fine i dont give a shit. but i might start to have a problem if you call me a idiot, moron for taking sterioids.

ya dig?

[therock]

But here is the problem with what you (and I, and pretty much everyone on juice does) do. When we lie, people assume that all they have to do is go to the gym, eat right, train hard, and they will look like us. When they do this for a period of time and they look NOTHING like us they get pissed; leave, and go back to the twinkies and burbon.

Now, honestly, for us, that's a good thing. We are the ones that are "in the know" have the muscles, get the looks, etc. If everyone was juiced we would not be as "excpetional" anymore. However, fuck all that. I feel bad for these people, we are setting them up for failure, and indirectly, leading some people to an early death ("I can't look anything like Juice, its impossible, fuck it, I am going to give up and starting "partying" again"). How many of those people walk out of the gym discouraged, never walk back in, and die of complications from obesity? Its sad; I don't want to lie to these people, I just don't want to go to jail either. I fucking hate it, I feel like a hypocrite everytime a someone comes up to me and says "Man, you look great, what are you taking"?

The only people I answer honestly to are other people on steroids, who obviously already know that I am taking "something" illegal, and just want to know what it is. So we develop this class system of those who are "in the know" and those who are not.

People are totally desensitized to what a "steroid user" looks like anymore its almost funny. They look at Jay Cutler, and say "Think he is taking something?". Are you fucking kidding me? But even worse is that they look at people like actors and entertainers (Nelly, Marky Mark, etc) and don't even consider the possiblity that they are taking anything. Let me clue you in people, almost everyone you see on TV or in the movies is on something. Those arms are just as fake as Jay's there is just not as much test and time in the actors/entertainers. And if anyone tells me that most of the 35+ people in Hollywood are not on growth I might just laugh right in their faces.

Its so stupid, we setup this ideal for people to adhere to that is a "pipe dream" if your not chemically enhanced. Honestly, I think its a hell of a lot safer to try to live up to the "steroid" image of Hollywood for a man then it is for women to live up to the "waif" ideal. People die from complications of anorexia, I am still waiting for the FIRST report of direct death from steroid use. But at least they don't go to jail. Their "habit" is acceptable, so long as they don't die on the set.

Sad, so sad.

Sorry for those that read my other thread, as this is a bit of a recap. However, you KNOW I had to say something! :)

Puma
:madfu:

I agree and disagree. I agree on most of the stuff you said. The onlything I dont agree on is, if people eat and have a good diet they cant gain as much as someone on aas. If someone eats enough, sleeps, enough, and trains good and stick with it and doesnt miss a meal, they can grow just as much. I myself am natural right now. I have taken about 3 cycles in the past. The heaviest I have ever been was around 210lbs. lean. I got sick and stopped working out and dropped to 175lbs. I started eating like crazy and worked out again and I am currently 203lbs. No gear, no PH, only CE2,and Whey w/ a badass diet.
So Puma dont feel bad for those people you tell eat right bro. Cause trust me diet is more powerfull then aas!

[Puma]

I do agree with this, and I kind of hit it in my post, but in a bad way.

I have seen people who are natural who look amazing. I don't want to overempahsize the importance of AAS in a great looking physique. And I don't want to say to people that the only way your going to look good is with steroids, because its not true.

But (having been natural once too) I am sure that if you told a "normal" person what your routine looked like (diet/training/sleeping) they would have a fucking heart attack! I need to train 5-7X a week, eat 6-8X a day, do cardio, blah, blah, blah.. I can just see their puny little necks almost being unable to hold up the weight of that much dedication! :)

I would argue that steriods can bring it to a "reasonable" level for some people (and I mean SOME! I know fuckers out there who would not walk across the room to pick up a "magic pill" that would make them 250 at 3%bf because "its too far away") who otherwise would not have the drive/dedication to achive a good body. The thing I see is people go at it with about 70% of the dedication that they should, and in a year, they really don't look any different; many times you can't even tell they work out. So they get discouraged and quit. If they go at it 100%, shit yea, with or without the juice, your going to notice them. But most people just don't have it in them.

I don't feel bad for telling them to eat right, I feel bad for not telling them the whole story. :( The eating right is a step in the right direction anyway, as is the workout and everything else. But I always feel like I a total liar (because I am) when someone asks me "What are you taking" and I respond "creatine". :(

Puma

I agree and disagree. I agree on most of the stuff you said. The onlything I dont agree on is, if people eat and have a good diet they cant gain as much as someone on aas. If someone eats enough, sleeps, enough, and trains good and stick with it and doesnt miss a meal, they can grow just as much. I myself am natural right now. I have taken about 3 cycles in the past. The heaviest I have ever been was around 210lbs. lean. I got sick and stopped working out and dropped to 175lbs. I started eating like crazy and worked out again and I am currently 203lbs. No gear, no PH, only CE2,and Whey w/ a badass diet.
So Puma dont feel bad for those people you tell eat right bro. Cause trust me diet is more powerfull then aas!

[therock]

This all true what you said Puma. But you are not truthful to them not to be a liar but to save yourself from unwanted trouble. You shouldnt feel bad bro. You should feel good cause some people out there, they just tell people to run gear when they dont even need it. You are doing the right thing by guiding them the natural way by giving them advice on diet, etc. So dont feel bad bro.