I need help quick!!!!!!!!!!!!

[joe bigboy]

well i was doing better earlier today but i'm starting to get chills again, i just took my temp. and its back up to 99.5 so i don't know. i guess i'll keep icing it and taking ibprofin.

[num1son]

take aspirin its and antipyretic(lowers temp) Ibuprofen wont work as well for lowerin temp

K

[barbender]

Here's a question that is sort of on topic here. If you do have problems and decide to go to the Dr. do you guys tell em literally what happened? I was just curious. I know that dr/patient confidentiality comes up here, but can they report you? Bigboy, sorry about your problem bro. Please keep the post comming and good luck. We all hope this passes quickly for you. BB

[Knoxville]

I got an infection in my glute one time from shooting qv enanthate. I went to the doc and told her it was a spider bite. They did a culture on the bacteria (drained the abcess) and I had a script for antibiotics the next day. It was some of the most pain I had ever been in, I wish I had went to the doc as soon as it started to swell and my temp went up. Be careful man. Spider bites are always a good excuse.

[num1son]

Here's a question that is sort of on topic here. If you do have problems and decide to go to the Dr. do you guys tell em literally what happened? I was just curious. I know that dr/patient confidentiality comes up here, but can they report you? Bigboy, sorry about your problem bro. Please keep the post comming and good luck. We all hope this passes quickly for you. BB

THere is a post in the general section bout this and the hipaa laws it answers ure question exactly

K

[Stonecold54]

Here's a question that is sort of on topic here. If you do have problems and decide to go to the Dr. do you guys tell em literally what happened? I was just curious. I know that dr/patient confidentiality comes up here, but can they report you? Bigboy, sorry about your problem bro. Please keep the post comming and good luck. We all hope this passes quickly for you. BB

while doctors can't give law enforcment info...insurance companies have open access to doctor files. so if they see "anabolic steroid" they might drop you or your premiums could go sky high...always say it was a B12 shot since they are legal.

[coffee-guy]

Attn: Num1son

while doctors can't give law enforcment info...insurance companies have open access to doctor files. so if they see "anabolic steroid" they might drop you or your premiums could go sky high...always say it was a B12 shot since they are legal.

Attn Num1son - can you clear this up???

[num1son]

Attn Num1son - can you clear this up???

Ok just called my hipaa complaince director and her words were this...Insurance companies are only able to request codes for treatment. there is no code for steroid abuse. now I will paraphrase her next statement...Insurance companies are not allowed to see any specifics on a file, this is done to keep them from raising rates on people with info unrelated to the current claim that is being filed. In short they will only get code numbers or a letter explaining what the problem is. THe doc must be very cautious how to word it and most not include info that has no bearing on the patient. LIke I said the insurance company needs only diagnosis and treatment codesm, thats it. It's usually sent on a federal govt mandated HCFA billing form.

One catch, If you go for life insurance and they draw blood, they will check for all things included a raised test level. If this is found they will deny u on spot. but the raised test level can be from many things so they will not "assume" its from steroids. Instead they will keep their profit margins up and simply reject and move on.

Yes tell your doc about steroids but make it know its confidential in your file, as in a separate letter or a small side note this way the doc knows to treat u right but can't send that specific letter or note to the ins company
BTW- I have had my record audited form the insurance company from my office and all they are allowd to get is codes both diagnosis and treatment, theres a standard form issued and in no place is there even space to describe aas usage

K

[beefcake]

always say it was a B12 shot since they are legal.

I thought I had read that anything administered by injection is considered illegal unless you have a prescription.

[num1son]

Ok here was the specific case in point at my office(its great to have a place where u run and can treat yourself at the same office)

I came in sweating to death and hyper anxious/anxiety, Doc asked me what was causing this I said high levels of Tren(first cycle of tren at the time) he then said well u have "hyper hydrosis" or excessive sweating told me he'd run bloodwork just to see what else was going on just in case. I got bloodwork and everything was fine submitted to the insurance company under the diagnosis hyperhydrosis, the insurance company kicked back the claim saying that the code used suggested that it was a "vanity" code that it wasn't a medical problem but more a vanity/elective code(kinda like people who go for elective plastic surgery its not medical but more a physical looks thing) they rebilled it again for the blood work and still got rejected. Then the insurance company asked for another form be filled out with a diff code or an explanation to this code, Doc wrote mild hypertension which caused hyperhydrosis. so that it wasn't a vanity issue of sweating too much but more a medical side effect. I saw the claim for it was all codes, submitted back to ins company then they picked up the coverages on the blood work.
I asked the doc later about aas usage and he said its different than drug abuse since they are a diff classification of drugs and that abuse has to be determined, He replied that in in order to considerd steroid abuse, laws would have to change since steroids are used to treat many illnesses and that no codes have been ever been designated to deduct abuse of drugs since that is categorized under mental/drug abuse treatment not medical treatment, case in point no codes even exist for steroid abuse so 99/100 times the doc uses the codes for hyperhydrosis or hypertension or localized infection unspecified (abscess they come from spider bites too guys ;) ) so yes we are covered btw doc's make side notes for aas and drug usage not file note they keep it as side notes so that they have it noted for reference to keep their ass covered but as to not cause problems on the legal end with confidentiality

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[num1son]

I thought I had read that anything administered by injection is considered illegal unless you have a prescription.

This is that grey matter area, oddly most drugs are illegal to use(current time) and illegal to posess, but not illegal to have inactive/active beyond making u intoxicated or under influence in blood stream, yes it is illegal in some states to inject yourself and in some states it isn't this is more of a law topic not a hipaa topic

K

[edvedr]

One catch, If you go for life insurance and they draw blood, they will check for all things included a raised test level. If this is found they will deny u on spot. but the raised test level can be from many things so they will not "assume" its from steroids. Instead they will keep their profit margins up and simply reject and move on.


K

now of course this can change depending on the company but i will share what i have delt with when it comes to life insurance. test levels, at least from the companies i sell for will not look at your test levels. however if your on cycle obviously your other numbers will be completely out of whack, liver, hdls etc... usually so much that the company has (on 3 different occasions) asked for more blood work. they figured it was so crazy that maybe there was a mistake. 2 cases the clients didn't wanna persue it more but the one who was a friend and took my advice, got clean and i had it issued, of course i had to put the new exam off for a while till he had been off for a while.

[num1son]

The only exception to all this is if your treatment code is for an aas test injections stuff like that, where your code must be in sync with a test application diagnosis code, low test levels etc, this is where places like fountain of youth docs always code low test levels

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[num1son]

now of course this can change depending on the company but i will share what i have delt with when it comes to life insurance. test levels, at least from the companies i sell for will not look at your test levels. however if your on cycle obviously your other numbers will be completely out of whack, liver, hdls etc... usually so much that the company has (on 3 different occasions) asked for more blood work. they figured it was so crazy that maybe there was a mistake. 2 cases the clients didn't wanna persue it more but the one who was a friend and took my advice, got clean and i had it issued, of course i had to put the new exam off for a while till he had been off for a while.

The test the issue is I believed the epitest ratio the free test ratio, yah most check liver kidney THey aren't allowed to test the genetics but who knows if they really do, most ins companies will give u min coverage without a bloodwork and only allow u to raise the coverage 5-10k a year by voiding a bloodwork test, yah the limits are lower but u r covered no matter what

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[num1son]

I hope my responses have cleared up a lot of q's I will say this though be smart about what u tell them, abcess say spider bite same end result with less hassle. As far as aas usuage well be smart of course your bp might be higher and of course your liver/kidney function might be off smart thing is that when u do get a test done and they want to retest u make sure u r off gear when they retest so that they aren't putting u on meds that you really don't need 24-7 365, mainly get a doc u can trust I've found women to be the best since they are generally more caring, theres no harm in bouncing around docs untill u find one thats comfy and ask right away how they are about confidentiality their quickness and accuracy in answering will tell u right away if they are trustworthy
Hope this helps

K