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  • The only three steroids you need....

    First off, I'm not a scientist or a doctor or anything like that. I'm just a personal trainer that's been around gear for a long time. I don't base my opinions off of medical studies or lab research, just my own personal experience and the experience of the dozens of guys I've trained. So, if you disagree with my opinions don't ask me to provide studies which back them up , because I won't. That being said, I've come to the conclusion over the years, that there's really only three steroids you'll ever really need to take:

    Testosterone: This is the big one. Packs on mass like nothing else. The best bang-for-your-buck there is. You can use it to cut too and it helps you keep from losing muscle while dieting. If water retention is a concern, use prop. If you get gyno, use Nolva. Not too much more to say about it, it's the shit.

    Trenbolone: Without a doubt, the best steroid for cutting. It's the only steroid that actually burns fat. I've argued with a good friend many times about this and he keeps trying to tell me that no steroid can burn fat. Bullshit, Tren burns fat. I've taken it too many times for anybody to convince me otherwise. Tren is also the best steroid for strength, no contest. It's more expensive than test though and the side-effects can be a little harsh, but it's an amazing drug. I even like running it by itself. If you're prone to alot of sides with test and your goal is to get cut, I don't think there's anything wrong with a Tren-only cycle. You can keep the muscle you have and maybe even gain a little while getting ripped. Now, some guys will say you have to run test with it or you'll get fina-dick, but I've never had a problem and I've run high doses of tren with no test. If you did get fina-dick, 50 mg a day of proviron would likely take care of it.

    Boldenone: Boldenone comes in third on my list. I like it for bulking and cutting. I get an increase in appetite, nothing too drastic, but enough to help me get in all my meals which is actually a good thing when dieting. The reason I say this is because even when I'm dieting, I still eat all the time. It's harder for me though cuz I'm eating really clean (yuck!) and I get tired from the low carbs and cardio, so a little appetite boost is great. Obviously it helps with bulking too. I also find that I get better stamina from EQ and an increase in strength. Personally I don't see a big difference in vascularity, but some do. The only downsides to boldenone are the cost (more than test), and the fact that you really have to run it awhile to get solid gains from it (I'd say 16 weeks). I also have to run a little higher dose to get "Wow"-type results. Still I like it. I know a guy who runs it by itself because he is prone to lots of sides while on test and he loves it (I haven't tried it alone just yet but I will someday).

    So what about Dbol/Drol? Well, I don't like any cycle that's less than 12 weeks. 10 would be the very minimum. So since 6 weeks would be the longest I would take dbol or drol, it doesn't make sense to me. I know alot of guys like to "jumpstart" their cycles, but that really just causes more hormone fluctuation, which is why I think so many guys get acne on dbol. Also, it's a pain having to remember to take it 3x a day. Then there's the appetite suppression and fatigue. I felt like shit the first few times I took dbol or drol, then I figured out that by taking alot of milk thistle (1000mg a day) and drinking extra water (even more than I usually drink) I could eat just fine and I don't get the headaches from the Drol. I still feel tired all the time after a couple weeks though, and I feel sort of bloated. If you want quick results, stick with Test Prop and/or tren.

    What about Deca? I like deca, but here's the thing. Why run 600mg of test and 400 mg of deca when I could just run a gram of test? Deca is more expensive than test and I can't see how it gives you any better gains than test by itself. Then you have deca-dick, which you can take care of with proviron but then that's just someting else you have to buy. Also I get bloated off deca especially in the face. Alot of guys say that they take deca for their joints, but I have joint problems and I get more relief from Naproxin (Aleve) than Deca.

    What about Winny? I've used winny pre-contest and I'll say one thing, it dries you out. If you're going for a really dry, hard look; winny will do it. However, it doesn't actually make you any leaner, it just makes you look leaner because of less water retention. So unless you're already really lean and you're just holding some water, what's the point? Why are guys with 16% bodyfat taking winny to get cut? Not to mention, winny kills my joints. If your joints are 100% and you don't have any problems, it doesn't seem to create problems. But if you're like me and you've been lifting heavy for a long time and everything cracks and pops, winny is rough. So unless you're competing, no need for winny.

    What about Anavar? Too expensive fo me. I know quite a few guys that took it and liked it but never took it again cuz it was just too expensive to keep running.

    What about Masteron? I took it once, wasn't too impressed. Again, too expensive. Not trying to sound like a cheap-skate but why spend more money than I have to when I can get great results from test, tren, and boldenone?

    Of course everyone is different so I'm sure that some people will see amazing results from other stuff, but for the majority I'll always suggest test, tren, and boldenone. Maybe some UG lab will come up with a blend of all three and I can just rob a bank and buy a lifetime supply to hoard in my basement. :loveheart
    Last edited by Control; 12-16-05, 10:40 AM.

  • #2
    excellent post control...I'll print it out and staple in my reference books

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    • #3
      what about GH and slin? just outta curiosity

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      • #4
        Originally posted by go Yankees
        what about GH and slin? just outta curiosity

        The problem I have with GH is that it's expensive, it's faked ALOT, and it's temperature sensitive (how do you really know if it's been kept cool the whole time your source had it). I have used slin but I don't get really amazing results from it. I think the pros that are getting really huge taking slin are probably taking amounts that could lead to diabetes. I don't know that for a fact though, it's just speculation, but I have a feeling that they're taking more than 5iu's PWO....

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        • #5
          Basic test is all the average gym rat needs.

          Aburiahan Test Enath and Jintropin is my choice for basic off season use.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Control
            The problem I have with GH is that it's expensive, it's faked ALOT, and it's temperature sensitive (how do you really know if it's been kept cool the whole time your source had it). I have used slin but I don't get really amazing results from it. I think the pros that are getting really huge taking slin are probably taking amounts that could lead to diabetes. I don't know that for a fact though, it's just speculation, but I have a feeling that they're taking more than 5iu's PWO....

            BTW, I'm not knocking GH or slin. If you can get a hold of some legit GH and you can afford it, you can get great results from it. Slin works really well for some too, I think the reason I don't get drastic results from it is because I'm fairly insulin resistant. I discovered that when I attempted suicide. I took a dose of insulin that would kill most people and obviously, I lived. I talked with a guy one time who said that he didn't see the point in taking large amounts of gear if you're not taking GH and slin because the gains you can make would be limited by your bodies natural insulin and GH. Kinda like if you took a car and replaced the engine with one that had way more horsepower but you still had the same traction and the same transmission. Something like that is what he said......

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            • #7
              Great post, I agree 100% with what you said. Those are the only three I take. I will take winny every now and then but mostly if I know I am going to the beach in a couple of weeks, I will take it for a few weeks and get off. Just taking winny for two weeks kills my joints so I stay away from it as much as possible. Your post is right on I hope a lot of newbies to gear read this and don't make a lot of the mistakes I have made.

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              • #8
                The only problem that I have with this post is that it doesn't look at the health issue enough (JMO), tren kicks ass but its not the best health wise at all. Test is also in that same class although not as bad. test increases you strength while diminishing your ablility to regenerate you concetive tissues. It is still one of the safer steriods.

                EQ is a good one as it helps with the conective tissue.
                Deca also good for that
                primo if you can aford it, is all right for the conective tissues


                if you don't like the ester lengths there are several short options.

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                • #9
                  very nice post control. im like you i like studys and all that but bottom line is real life use is what im lookin for. i also agree with 99% of your post test,tren,EQ is and always will be my cycle but i use GH with great results. i usally run long cycles so i base them on test EQ and rotating tren with some kinda of oral(anavar,d-bol,a-bombs) every 6 weeks.
                  there is already a test E tren E combo that hurts like a bitch.

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                  • #10
                    good post bro.. if i had to pick 3 AS and that's all i could use it would be test, eq, and winny

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                    • #11
                      wow, i can't really find fault with any of that. thanks control.

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                      • #12
                        Great post, it's kinda reassuring to hear that you really DON'T need all these different types of drugs to make gains......solid gains come from a solid work ethic and a sound diet. Testosterone is the shit and I LOVE the agression and stength I get from Tren.

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                        • #13
                          hey control...have you ever used TBOL? I just did a run with it and it was quite amazing (and this is after 7 years of cycling)...dbol strength and pumps without the bloat. I loved it. and I don't even split up my doses in the day so its not a big deal. I just take 30mg in the morning. good stuff.

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                          • #14
                            Nice edition to the board. If I missed you the first time, welcome!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by stonecold54
                              hey control...have you ever used TBOL? I just did a run with it and it was quite amazing (and this is after 7 years of cycling)...dbol strength and pumps without the bloat. I loved it. and I don't even split up my doses in the day so its not a big deal. I just take 30mg in the morning. good stuff.
                              Are you refering to Turinobol? If so, what are the health risks of this drug compared to tren? Never had the opportunity to use it.

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