Best to stack Test with?

[GearTripper]

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[Ironweb]

why would you recommend soo much test for a newbie?

His first round was 500 mg and according to what he said worked ok for him. Using 500 only matchs his first time and going to 600 is slightly more. I would think 500 would be just fine. Everyone reacts differently and tolerences are different as well.

For instance, I have a higher tolerance to test. I do not retain much water if any and have no problems with gyno. My last cycle I ran it at 900 mg and received some nice lean gains from it. I do not run any nolv during the cycle because of the above reasons. Now I do not get massive gains like some ppl mention. My strength goes up but not astronomically. I do get some good keepable gains because little of it is water. I usually recover very well and quickly using proper recovery which includes nolv at that time.

Granted I have learned this through several cycles and know what will happen. If he has done well on 500 mg and is comfortable with that then why not use the same amount for a second cycle. You do not have to go progressively up in mg but you have adapted your body to that dosage. That is my opinion based upon my personal history of use.

[Pumpdogg]

One thing will always remain the same... Test is the daddy in this endeavor... I understand the desire to add another compound... I also understand the desire to up the dosage... very common among anyone who has juice b4... very addictive mentally for sure... It comes down to your choice.. You have ran test... seen what it did and did not do... should have ran it longer, so you learned there as well... GT's advice of running it alone for a longer period and not upping the dose unless you need to is great advice... You may start to have nasty side effects at 10 weeks on test alone that you would not know what was causing it if you were running another compound along side of it...

You can ask many who have cycled for years and they will tell you test is what makes you grow... Anyone can stack drugs, but after years of exotic stacks and countless dollars gone wayside, I found you could not beat good ole test by itself... Adding in compounds does aid in growth, but for most people it is not needed.. If u were competeing that would be different... but at your age... IMO I would run test alone and enjoy the benefits of it... If it starts to not suit your fancy you can always adjust the dose...

[Iron1]

Thanks for all the advice. Great sight BTW. Lots of good friendly advice and debate without a lot of smart-ass replies that accomplish nothing. I'll be making this home from now on.
I ran a couple threads at other forums about the need to add in other compounds or just sticking with test only indefinitely. Most everyone said you had to add in something else to gain. Didn't make a lot of sense to me. It's all basically the same stuff until you get down to wanting very specific results.

[GearTripper]

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[Iron1]

Am I wrong? I have always understood that the body never builds tolerance for an endogenous substance. If that was the case wouldn't you develop, early in life, tolerance for other endogenous substances the body produces such as norepinephrine, serotonin, insulin for example? The body never gets "used" to these substances so why would it for testosterone? So won't say 500mg always have the same effect? Just that 500 will only build/support a certain level of mass and to gain past this level, once obtained, you need to add more? I guess I just answered my own quetion of whether I need a larger dose and when. Opinions?

[Pumpdogg]

Its the basics of basics and again GT has outlined it very plainly... Your equation is correct...lets use me for example... Over the years I learned that at 600 mgs a week I grew like a weed... and my side effects where minimal at that dose... duration makes a difference here too.... did not matter if I had cycled 3 months ago or 1 year ago.. Always gained and always went further than before... Had I continued to run this test cycle, eventually I would have hit a plateau... At this point is where you decide if you are going to add in another compound or up the dose of the test you are running...

Understand that to get to this understanding I like many newbies started out on my very first cycle with test e only... about 4 weeks in I thought something was wrong or I needed more... So I went from taking 200mgs every 5 days to 300 every 3 days... then at week 6 added in 25 mgs of dbol a day..... FUCKING OVERKILL... 6 weeks after I cycled off fromt that mess I was back on same protocol with deca added in this time.... WOW even worse sides and blew out my right knee in the process... I went from someone who did not appear they lifted weights, to a juiced up spandex, string tank freak....
... IF I had known then what i know now, I would have held out and waited for the long esterd drug to kick in and enjoyed the ride.... Gear Tripper is trying to help you avoid the so many pitfalls that new guys fall into... more is better , 3 drugs has to been even better than that etc...

Allot of "bodybuilders" are clueless about how these drugs act in the body and what long term effect they have... They read something in muscle mag or some Huge gym rat says do this and it becomes the gold standard... You are doing the right thing by researching here...

Take GT's advice and learn from the old guys who have been there

Im out

[Ironweb]

without attempting to sound like a daft prick, that logic is stupid. let's say a newbie ran a first cycle of 1000mg of test/week and did ok... would you recommend 1100mg/wk for the second go-round? you might have also noticed that the first cycle length was minimal at best and more than likely insufficient enough to gauge a good baseline reference as to how well the 500mg/wk dosage was.

simply because more is NOT always better. i would say that is THE most common misconception amongst newbies to AS.

i highly doubt his body has already adapted to such levels of supplemental test after only eight weeks. and again, by such thought, everyone would eventually have to up their dosages for each additional cycle which means eventually we'd all be doing 100,000mgs/wk of some of this stuff. ;)

You Prick. Just kidding. 500 mg is an average amount that I have read on many boards. It is not high. Read many suggestion for first time users for that amount. However those who are suggesting could be dealers. Not sure. So no I would not suggest 1000 mg and higher. I suggested 5 or 600 but leaned towards 500. I will do more research on this part for myself. If that is not correct then I will have to change my own thinking.

Adapt was not the best description to use. You know how your body will react because that is what he did for the first time. Granted 8 weeks but it is more than none. I by no means was saying always increase the amount. That is why I said you DO NOT have to go progressively higher.

If my thoughts were asinine I apologize. That is why we have a board like this to correct and discuss information. I do not think I was off my rocker completely just could have worded it a bit differently. Live and learn thanks for the discuss GT.