DO YOU WANT TO DIE? The most important post you will ever read.

[babyblues]

yeah good point, but Flo Jo?

There again is an example of too much of a good thing.

[meat12]

Great post B, really makes you think

[house1]

Just lurking on some of the boards I've seen alot of guys make comments about how steroids should be legal, or how pro-hormones should still be legal. This is why they're not. There's a big difference between being huge and strong, and actually being healthy.

i dissagree with this !! if they were legal they could be better regulated . people would not be scared to share gear related info with there docs etc,etc . it was not because of health related issues that they were banned . your getting more health related issues because they are banned people will not tell there docs about use out of fear of getting in trouble . also when you ban something it makes it more appealing to the youngsters coming up .

[house1]

I think one more thing you can add to this. So many people take steroids just to get big and never do cardio to keep their heart in shape with the size of their body. I think it is very important that when using roids that cardio is a must to keep your heart healthy!! You are asking for problems if you don't!!

very big point and very true .

[house1]

great post bouncer...Todd ganci also said this too...heres his link. names all the bbers that died... http://www.taylorhooton.org/toddganci.asp

todd is my nutritionist and a very good guy .. he has lived it

[decadan]

Awesome post, Bouncer... But we really need to think about WHY we are REALLY doing this. It's time to be honest with yourselves (myself as well). If we were all TRULY interested in being healthy and living a nutritious lifestyle, that would be a different story. The fact is though, we are all mostly interested in one of three things:

1.) Getting huge
2.) Getting ripped
3.) Losing fat ASAP

This all adds up to us wanting to look our very best, and that means taking as many shortcuts as possible if need be. This is not a game of health and nutrition. It's a gamble.

I have decided that I am not going to do AAS anymore, because there is just something deep inside my soul (perhaps God) that is telling me to stop. I think if all of us stopped and listened, and just took the time to truly listen, we all too would hear that voice inside of us that's saying, "Stop this... Just stop."

I am getting married in Septmeber, and honestly... I want to be with my wife as long as I possibly can. She is a HUGE blessing and she is more important than anything else.

We should rather focus on WHY we're really doing this. Is it because we were picked on in school? Made fun of by our family, friends, classmates, or even teachers? Some how, it usually ties in to a low self esteem one way or another. What we should really be focusing on is how to heal that low self esteem, and not feed it through poisoining our bodies.

We are all human. We're all the same. I don't care WHO you are. What we're ALL looking for is acceptance and yes, I'll say it... Love. But steroids, (or any other for that matter) is the wrong route to take. Like Bouncer has pointed out... It can lead to a end. Literally.

There are a lot of incredible guys (and gals) on here. I have never met any of you in person, but I still know that you're all good hearted people, who are looking for the same thing. Fulfillment. I pose this to you though... Do you want to enjoy your fulfillment for a lifetime... Or do you just want to enjoy it until you're 30, 40, or 50, or maybe even earlier?

Accept yourselves for who you are. Not for what you look like or how much weight you can lift or how skinny or muscular you are. If someone doesn't accept you for you do begin with, then they're not TRULY accepting YOU. They're accepting a packge.

Let's face it... Who buys a television, KNOWING that it may say SONY or PIONEER on the box, but inside it's a no-name brand that you KNOW is going to fail? We're the same way....

We're trying to create the BEST package there is... But what's on the inside?

Cheers,

DD

[Control]

i dissagree with this !! if they were legal they could be better regulated . people would not be scared to share gear related info with there docs etc,etc . it was not because of health related issues that they were banned . your getting more health related issues because they are banned people will not tell there docs about use out of fear of getting in trouble . also when you ban something it makes it more appealing to the youngsters coming up .

Actually, I'd like to see it handled the same way cosmetic surgery is. You go to the Dr., they give you a physical, administer the drugs, monitor your blood-work etc. Of course that would be expensive though. What you could not have is steroids and needles for sale at GNC.

[coffee-guy]

We really need to think about WHY we are REALLY doing this.

Great post bro...

Actually, I'd like to see it handled the same way cosmetic surgery is.

I couldn't have said it better....

[mighty1]

human grade products and sterility is the key for preventing majority of the problems. some unlucky ones are prone for problems due to other problems such as the use of heavy narcs while keeping an unhealthy life style on a regular basis, and playing too much with duretics

been in the game very long time and seen everything.

-you WILL get abcess if needles are reused for a long periods of time

-at the end...if you are serious user, you will get infection/abcess if you dont keep it all sterile, so make sure you got good insurence for the iv antibiotics you will HAVE to use and the drainage; if you're lucky that is.

-you will not die from steroids as long as you do everything in moderation and that includes oral tabs. i would not even START touching ug products (caps??:)) or whateve else... no matter what!

-i have seen guys and that includes me that been on a long cycle for many months with out any health problems, but those guys knew what they were doing and did not go crazy on orals as in the dead mentioned who did many times 150-200 mg dianabol for 3-4 months in a raw couple time a year and i knew masswithclass well enough to tell you he did anadrol and tren/fina in high doses for long periods of time!

-i wouldnt touch anadrol because it is not a drug suited for muscle building

-get yourself a nice stack of human grade schering, norma, organon and british dispensary pinks for your needs. make sure they are LEGIT and dont be cheap on spending the $11-12 legit norma deca cost for the customer

-always take some time off everything it will make you grow!

[Mr I]

Mighty1, I think thats a bit of a basic overview mate to be honest, there doesn't seem to be many guys in their 80's out there that used to be bodybuildiers, whether their aas use was moderate and even if they always ensured sterile needles

[Control]

human grade products and sterility is the key for preventing majority of the problems. some unlucky ones are prone for problems due to other problems such as the use of heavy narcs while keeping an unhealthy life style on a regular basis, and playing too much with duretics

been in the game very long time and seen everything.

-you WILL get abcess if needles are reused for a long periods of time

-at the end...if you are serious user, you will get infection/abcess if you dont keep it all sterile, so make sure you got good insurence for the iv antibiotics you will HAVE to use and the drainage; if you're lucky that is.

-you will not die from steroids as long as you do everything in moderation and that includes oral tabs. i would not even START touching ug products (caps??:)) or whateve else... no matter what!

-i have seen guys and that includes me that been on a long cycle for many months with out any health problems, but those guys knew what they were doing and did not go crazy on orals as in the dead mentioned who did many times 150-200 mg dianabol for 3-4 months in a raw couple time a year and i knew masswithclass well enough to tell you he did anadrol and tren/fina in high doses for long periods of time!

-i wouldnt touch anadrol because it is not a drug suited for muscle building

-get yourself a nice stack of human grade schering, norma, organon and british dispensary pinks for your needs. make sure they are LEGIT and dont be cheap on spending the $11-12 legit norma deca cost for the customer

-always take some time off everything it will make you grow!

I've used alot of UG gear and I've never had a problem. There probably is some dirty UG gear out there, but there are a number of reputable labs that are just as sterile as human grade.

[Bouncer]

human grade products and sterility is the key for preventing majority of the problems. some unlucky ones are prone for problems due to other problems such as the use of heavy narcs while keeping an unhealthy life style on a regular basis, and playing too much with duretics

been in the game very long time and seen everything.

-you WILL get abcess if needles are reused for a long periods of time

-at the end...if you are serious user, you will get infection/abcess if you dont keep it all sterile, so make sure you got good insurence for the iv antibiotics you will HAVE to use and the drainage; if you're lucky that is.

-you will not die from steroids as long as you do everything in moderation and that includes oral tabs. i would not even START touching ug products (caps??:)) or whateve else... no matter what!

-i have seen guys and that includes me that been on a long cycle for many months with out any health problems, but those guys knew what they were doing and did not go crazy on orals as in the dead mentioned who did many times 150-200 mg dianabol for 3-4 months in a raw couple time a year and i knew masswithclass well enough to tell you he did anadrol and tren/fina in high doses for long periods of time!

-i wouldnt touch anadrol because it is not a drug suited for muscle building

-get yourself a nice stack of human grade schering, norma, organon and british dispensary pinks for your needs. make sure they are LEGIT and dont be cheap on spending the $11-12 legit norma deca cost for the customer

-always take some time off everything it will make you grow!

None of this really has anything to do with what we are talking about. We are talking about the dangers of clean, real, AAS. Not dirty, fake AAS. Dirty gear has its own problems but it has nothing to do with the dangers of which we are talking about..

[ironmaster]

good post. I think most things in moderation are ok but any time you over do anything
there are consequinces.

[freakinhuge]

Great post Bouncer, This is a great place to educate and become more educated on the use and abuse of aas, and I think it's great that you stay unbiased and show both sides of the argument.

[TrapsBrah]

Thought I'd bump this. Don't ban me lol. Best post I've ever read. This should be stickied for all new users to see.