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[Stonecold54]

well considering i used 500mgs of QV test and blew up like a weed, i must be a genetic freak to blow up on 125mgs of test a week using your calculation. :P

probably is true

[Bouncer]

mr incredible, have you ever used tren?

[Bouncer]

stone you think gyno will be a concern at 300mgs of tren?

[Stonecold54]

stone you think gyno will be a concern at 300mgs of tren?

I am with other people, I feel it at low levels come on. I used to do the 75mg ed or eod but its to much. below 200mg is good to start at. I think you will be amazed if you have never used it before and the results you will get from such low amounts.

[Bouncer]

which is worse for progestin gyno, tren or deca?

[ROCKETW19]

would prolactin be a concern at 300mgs per week you think?

300 mgs tren is my max if i go 350 i get gyno! i always keep caber around just in case but i know what my body can take. i would start at 200-300 per week and see what happens just make sure you have caber cuz you are talkin about tren E witch takes way to long to clear IMO.

250mgs test might do the trick since you respond to test so well. but me personaly i would go 375mgs just to make sure.

[Stonecold54]

which is worse for progestin gyno, tren or deca?

for me tren....deca isn't that bad to me anymore, not sure why.

[Bouncer]

let me also link to this thread. http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...ear#post276824

Spidey seems pretty certain that on a Test/Tren cycle, an anti-aromatase like Arimidex is all that is needed to prevent both estrogen and progesterone related gyno.

he dosent think that is the case with deca though because of the difference in aromatization.

[Bouncer]

Let me also bring up the topic of winstrol and its effect on progestin type gyno. supposedly, winstrol is both anti estrogenic and is also a anti progetin. it seems to me that it may make sense to run a low dose of winny throughout a 10-12 week cycle of test and tren to help prevent both forms of gyno. something like 30mgs per day. 1 other benefit of this is that winstrol binds to SHBG and allows the test to effectively build more muscle, much like proviron and masteron.

thoughts? thanks

[ROCKETW19]

let me also link to this thread. http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...ear#post276824

Spidey seems pretty certain that on a Test/Tren cycle, an anti-aromatase like Arimidex is all that is needed to prevent both estrogen and progesterone related gyno.

he dosent think that is the case with deca though because of the difference in aromatization.

I remember this topic he and others were sayin kill all the estrogen and you cant get progestrone gyno! well i call bullshit cuzz i did and it wasnt nice havin to wait for the l-dex and nolva to start only to find it didnt work on me.

[ROCKETW19]

which is worse for progestin gyno, tren or deca?

for me tren is alot worse. as a matter of fact when i used to use deca i would use 400mgs with no problems.

[Mr I]

mr incredible, have you ever used tren?

yeah, twice; once used the original Parabolon (like nothing on earth!) but that was a mistake I was too young.

More recently I used BD tren (depot/enanth) @ 200mg every 5 days, on its own. It was still strong bro, you have to respect and use caution with a compound thats according to some 7 times more androgenic mg for mg than testosterone!

You an experienced guy with test and I don't see you having any problems at that dose (200 mg per week), but its worth pointing out that you need to keep an eye on your emotions and understand the reasons and not over react to situations.

In my view Tren, A-bombs and high test dose are the causes of bad press if you know what I mean.

At 200mg per week I think you will be pleasantly suprised after a few weeks, especially since your keeping test at 250mg per week. I noticed my training went very well and I hardened up lots.

[Mr I]

Let me also bring up the topic of winstrol and its effect on progestin type gyno. supposedly, winstrol is both anti estrogenic and is also a anti progetin. it seems to me that it may make sense to run a low dose of winny throughout a 10-12 week cycle of test and tren to help prevent both forms of gyno. something like 30mgs per day. 1 other benefit of this is that winstrol binds to SHBG and allows the test to effectively build more muscle, much like proviron and masteron.

thoughts? thanks

Is that because its dht derivative, if so then why not just use proviron or masteron, they will also bind to SHBG but won't cause you any joint ailments like winny can.

[Chadd77]

chad, 75mgs ED is pretty high. thats 525mgs per week. no wonder you got progestin gyno you dipshit. lol

I know it is 525mg/week you monkey ass! I ran it before at the same dose before and had no problems.


Another thing that I hated with tren was the insomnia. It would only take about a day or two for it to kick in. F'n sucked.

[Kiev]

I have done a lot of research on deca. It's not bad; there are benefits to taking it. friend of mine takes to much shit but he's running test , deca and winny once and a while- when he feels like hes getting fat. Hes huge, a true tank looking shape.