My PCT - Thoughts?

[Mr I]

So I've been running test for a while now at like 500mg per week and I've decided I need an off period of 8-12 weeks. I'm really not looking forward to it but since my last test shot about a weeks ago I've started my PCT from yesterday as follows;

500iu HCG per day which I'l run for 3 weeks to get by natural test production up.

25mg aromasin and 20mg nolva per day, I'll run the aromisin and nolva for as long as the hcg and then for a couple weeks after, then nolva on its own for a couple weeks after that.

I only did my second shot HCG today and already I have a fuckin turkey double chin and face bloat, fucks me right off but needs be a guess, I am taking these anti e's and don't really want to take any more.

One more thing I'm taking about 2.5mg proscar ed for 60 days since I noticed a bit of hair thinning from the test on my forehead.

I have clen and creatine and may use them in a few weeks but for now I just want my system as natty as possible.

[Bouncer]

i would up the nolv to 40mgs ed for the first 4 weeks.

[mindstar]

I was under the impression that HCG during PCT was a no-no as it can shut you down?

[Stonecold54]

why would hcg bloat you? and you don't need that much from my experience....I don't take over 200iu at a time and maybe 3 times a week at the most....

[Mr I]

I was under the impression that HCG during PCT was a no-no as it can shut you down?

Well the idea is that if you've beed shut down for a while (i.e. on a course for a good while, which I have) then your testes won't be in the habit of producing testosterone, by pulsing hcg (which mimicks LH hormone) and stimulating your testes to produce again, they will then respond better to the nolvadex. Clearly the hcg is again short circuiting your system and once taken away you would otherwise be in the same positio as when finishing a course, its just that now your leydig cells and working and in a better position to respond to nolvadex. Once they respond then the whole system (hypothalymus, pituitary, testes) begins to functio as normal and after a few weeks you take away the anti e and your good.

Thats the idea anyway:wacko:

[Mr I]

why would hcg bloat you? and you don't need that much from my experience....I don't take over 200iu at a time and maybe 3 times a week at the most....

I thought it might be the estrogen hike from the HCG, but given that I'm taking aromasin ans nolva that should take care of it. I don't look bad this morning and last night I took some letro and caber (since my course included some nandrolone earlier). I don't want to overdo the anti e if I can help it so back to normal now.

I'm following an Anthony Roberts program of PCT where he suggests 500iu per day. To be fair he did say that 300iu was fine but I can only get 5000iu amps which when mixed with the 1ml water in a 1cc slin pin gives me 500iu per 0.1ml lasting ten days. I don't want to waste it and I'm not sure how long it would keep once made up so thats why 500iu per day.

One thing I have read is that the days of shooting 5000iu at once are well over since taking that much really hikes your estrogen and hence small regular pulse like doses mimicking what LH would do is better.

[Mr I]

i would up the nolv to 40mgs ed for the first 4 weeks.

I'll give it a few days then and if the bloat comes back I'll up the nolva, I don't really want to use letro since my joints are already a bit sore

[mindstar]

I thought it might be the estrogen hike from the HCG, but given that I'm taking aromasin ans nolva that should take care of it. I don't look bad this morning and last night I took some letro and caber (since my course included some nandrolone earlier). I don't want to overdo the anti e if I can help it so back to normal now.

I'm following an Anthony Roberts program of PCT where he suggests 500iu per day. To be fair he did say that 300iu was fine but I can only get 5000iu amps which when mixed with the 1ml water in a 1cc slin pin gives me 500iu per 0.1ml lasting ten days. I don't want to waste it and I'm not sure how long it would keep once made up so thats why 500iu per day.

One thing I have read is that the days of shooting 5000iu at once are well over since taking that much really hikes your estrogen and hence small regular pulse like doses mimicking what LH would do is better.

You learn something new every day...thanks!

[ROCKETW19]

So I've been running test for a while now at like 500mg per week and I've decided I need an off period of 8-12 weeks. I'm really not looking forward to it but since my last test shot about a weeks ago I've started my PCT from yesterday as follows;

500iu HCG per day which I'l run for 3 weeks to get by natural test production up.

25mg aromasin and 20mg nolva per day, I'll run the aromisin and nolva for as long as the hcg and then for a couple weeks after, then nolva on its own for a couple weeks after that.

I only did my second shot HCG today and already I have a fuckin turkey double chin and face bloat, fucks me right off but needs be a guess, I am taking these anti e's and don't really want to take any more.

One more thing I'm taking about 2.5mg proscar ed for 60 days since I noticed a bit of hair thinning from the test on my forehead.

I have clen and creatine and may use them in a few weeks but for now I just want my system as natty as possible.

How long were you "ON"?
1 week is not enough time to start PCT. For test E I wait at least 2 weeks and more closer to 3 before starting PCT.
I would also choose the 12 weeks off over the 8 weeks. I would be willing to bet your natty test never makes it back to normal then you start again. Hormone rollercoaster.
This advise is also givin under the idea that you have been on for awhile. I think I read that somewhere?

[Mr I]

How long were you "ON"?
1 week is not enough time to start PCT. For test E I wait at least 2 weeks and more closer to 3 before starting PCT.
I would also choose the 12 weeks off over the 8 weeks. I would be willing to bet your natty test never makes it back to normal then you start again. Hormone rollercoaster.
This advise is also givin under the idea that you have been on for awhile. I think I read that somewhere?

prob about 5 months or so, changing up along the way. your probably right about the 12 weeks, I just want to see how far I can bring it and try get to some normality where I don't lose muscle. I'm starting the hcgh now on the basis that I'll be on it for like 3 weeks, no more than 4, by that time they'll be hardly any test in me and then its nolva that will stimulate my natty.

I know what your saying but the thought of leaving it a few weeks before geting my nads moving and having no synthetic test in me makes me cringe

[Bouncer]

I know what your saying but the thought of leaving it a few weeks before geting my nads moving and having no synthetic test in me makes me cringe

yup

[bigscott]

why would hcg bloat you? and you don't need that much from my experience....I don't take over 200iu at a time and maybe 3 times a week at the most....

my endo doc wanted me to do 10000 units a week for 4 weeks - needless to say i now have 40000 units in my fridge :)

[bigscott]

prob about 5 months or so, changing up along the way. your probably right about the 12 weeks, I just want to see how far I can bring it and try get to some normality where I don't lose muscle. I'm starting the hcgh now on the basis that I'll be on it for like 3 weeks, no more than 4, by that time they'll be hardly any test in me and then its nolva that will stimulate my natty.

I know what your saying but the thought of leaving it a few weeks before geting my nads moving and having no synthetic test in me makes me cringe

why not just drop to 250 mg hrt dose for 12 weeks then go back up - my days of getting my system back up and running naturally are over --- fact that those that want to play with the endo system could have to inject the rest of there life !!!!! something to think about

[Bouncer]

my days of getting my system back up and running naturally are over

we aren't all 55 like you. :moon:

[Mr I]

why not just drop to 250 mg hrt dose for 12 weeks then go back up - my days of getting my system back up and running naturally are over --- fact that those that want to play with the endo system could have to inject the rest of there life !!!!! something to think about

you may be right, I'll have to wait and see