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  • Let's talk about Winstrol Injectable!

    Another top athlete gets popped for Winstrol. And he is a legend in the sport of MMA. One of my favorites ever.....Ken Shamrock and he looks like he's on Winstrol!
    Some of the most elite get popped using Winstrol, boxers, MMA, Baseball, Football, cycling, track and field...and the list goes on.
    Heck even Ben Johnson took the Gold Medal with a world record time dusting Carl Lewis.
    Ive loved it for yrs because I dont like dieting and counting every calorie and carb. I eat clean while on but not that clean and Im convinced that Winstrol cuts with a strict diet and one can be more defined with a decent diet w/o the stress of hating meals or them getting so damned boring.
    Also I see no reason for taking it orally when it is more potent inj.ing and poses less stress on the Liver.
    This is how I feel and everyone is different.

    Here's a good profile I got off the net:


    Active Life: around 48 hours
    Drug Class: Anabolic/Androgenic Steroid (for injection or oral)
    Average Dose: Men 50-100 mg/day.....Women 25-50 mg/week
    Acne: Rare
    Water Retention: Rare
    High Blood Pressure: Rare
    Liver Toxic: Yes, it is a 17AA steroid
    Aromatization: No, it is a DHT derivative
    DHT Conversion: None
    Decrease HPTA function: Low


    Winstrol® is a popular brand name for the anabolic steroid stanozolol. This compound is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, although its activity is much milder than this androgen in nature. It is technically classified as an anabolic steroid, shown to exhibit a slightly greater tendency for muscle growth than androgenic activity in early studies. While dihydrotestosterone really only provides androgenic side effects when administered, stanozolol instead provides quality muscle growth. The anabolic properties of this substance are still mild in comparison to many stronger compounds, but it is still a ggod, reliable builder of muscle. Its anabolic properties could even be comparable to Dianabol, but Winstrol does not have the same tendency for water retention. Stanozolol also contains the same c17 methylation we see with Dianabol, an alteration used so that oral administration is possible. To spite this design however, there are many injectable versions of this steroid produced.

    Since stanozolol is not capable of converting into estrogen, an anti-estrogen is not necessary when using this steroid, gynecomastia is not a concern even among the most sensitive individuals. Since estrogen is also the cause of water retention, instead of bulk look, Winstrol produces a lean, quality look with no fear of excess subcutaneous fluid retention. This makes it a great steroid to use during cutting cycles, when water and fat retention are a major concern. It is also very popular among athletes in combination strength/speed sports such as Track and Field.

    The usual dosage for men is 35-75mg per day for the tablets and 25-50mg per day with the injectable version. It is often combined with other steroids depending on the desired result. For bulking purposes, a stronger androgen like testosterone, Dianabol or Anadrol is usually added. Here Winstrol will balance out the cycle a bit, giving us good anabolic effect with lower overall estrogenic activity than if taking such steroids alone. The result should be a considerable gain in new muscle mass, with a more comfortable level of water and fat retention. For cutting phases Winstrol can be combined with a non-aromatizing androgen such as trenbolone or Halotestin. Such combinations should help bring about the strongly defined, hard look of muscularity so sought after among bodybuilders. Older, more sensitive individuals can add compounds like Primobolan, Deca-Durabolin or Equipoise when wishing to stack this steroid. Here they should see good results and fewer side effects than with standard androgen therapies.

    Women usually take around 5-10mg daily. Although female athletes usually find stanozolol very tolerable, the injectable version is usually off limits.

    With the structural (c17-AA) alteration, the tablets will also place a higher level of stress on the liver than the injectable (which avoids the "first pass"). During longer or higher dosed cycles, liver values should therefore be watched closely through regular blood work. Although less common, there is still a possibility of liver damage occuring with the injectable form. While it does not enter the body through the liver, it is still broken down by it, providing a lower (but more continuous) level of stress. Such stress would of course be increased with the addition of other c17-AA oral compounds to a cycle of Winstrol. When using such combinations, cautious users would make every effort to limit the length of the cycle (preferably 6 to 8 weeks) and take some form of liver protectants. It should also be noted that both versions of Winstrol have been linked to strong adverse changes in HDL/LDL cholesterol levels. This side effect is common with anabolic steroid therapy, and obviously can become a health concern as the dose/duration of intake increase above normal. The oral version should have a greater impact on cholesterol values than the injectable due to the method of administration, and may therefore be the worse choice of the two for those concerned and this side effect.

    The oral use of stanozolol can also have a profound impact on levels of SHBG (sex hormone-binding globulin). This is a characteristic of all anabolic/androgenic steroids, however its potency and form of administration make Winstrol particularly noteworthy in this regard. Since plasma binding proteins such as SHBG act to temporarily constrain steroid hormones from exerting activity, this effect would provide a greater percentage of free (unbound) steroid hormone in the body. This may amount to an effective mechanism in which stanozolol could increase the potency of a concurrently used steroid. To further this purpose one could also addition Proviron, which has an extremely high affinity for SHBG. This affinity may cause Proviron to displace other weaker substrates for SHBG (such as testosterone), another mechanism in which the free hormone level may be increased. Adding Winstrol and Proviron to your next testosterone cycle may therefore prove very useful,, markedly enhancing the free state of this potent muscle building androgen.
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  • #2
    I agree it certainly hardens me, loads of atheletes swear by it improving their performance. Cholesterol issues and tendon weakening stop me from using it often though

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    • #3
      It's myth that injecting poses less threat to the liver, winny has to be broken down by the p450 enzymes which are located 85% in the liver and 15% in the gastric. First pass refers to the breakdown of oral drugs in the gastric i.e. "first pass" so by injecting you bypass the 15% of gastric p450 enzymes and the liver will actually have a bit greater strain breaking down the drug because it missed first pass. This would also mean a slightly higher availability of the drug to muscle before it's finally broken down. I think that winny may have a strong affinity for the GR receptor, this would explain hardening and fatloss effect.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by liftsiron View Post
        It's myth that injecting poses less threat to the liver, winny has to be broken down by the p450 enzymes which are located 85% in the liver and 15% in the gastric. First pass refers to the breakdown of oral drugs in the gastric i.e. "first pass" so by injecting you bypass the 15% of gastric p450 enzymes and the liver will actually have a bit greater strain breaking down the drug because it missed first pass. This would also mean a slightly higher availability of the drug to muscle before it's finally broken down. I think that winny may have a strong affinity for the GR receptor, this would explain hardening and fatloss effect.
        Respectfully, this will be debated for ages.(First pass and toxicity) Some swear it is bad for joints but Ive never experienced it.

        Good debate though Lifts......;)

        gator

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gator_Mclusky View Post
          Respectfully, this will be debated for ages.(First pass and toxicity) Some swear it is bad for joints but Ive never experienced it.

          Good debate though Lifts......;)

          gator
          I did some research last night and I wasn't exactly right in my description of first pass, I described the first pass mechanism of ethanol and certain other drugs. However if a person doesn't have the specific cyp450 enzymes present in gut, then first pass will indeed take place in the liver. So it depends on the drug as to where first pass occurs, although the majority of breakdown always takes place in the liver.

          This explains a bit better.

          Hepatic and intestinal first-pass effects of oltipraz in rats.
          Bae SK, Kim JW, Kim YH, Kim YG, Kim SG, Lee MG.

          College of Pharmacy and Research Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Seoul National University, San 56-1, Shinlim-Dong, Kwanak-Gu, Seoul 151-742, Republic of Korea.

          It was reported that the mean value of the extent of absolute oral bioavailability (F) of oltipraz at a dose of 20 mg/kg was 41.2% and only 2.68% of the oral dose was unabsorbed from the gastrointestinal tract in rats. Hence, the low F in rats could be due to considerable first-pass (gastric, intestinal and hepatic) effects. Hence, the first-pass effects of oltipraz were measured after intravenous, intraportal, intragastric and intraduodenal administration of the drug at a dose of 20 mg/kg to rats. The total area under the plasma concentration-time curve from time zero to time infinity (AUC) values between intragastric and intraduodenal administration (213 and 212 microg min/ml) in rats were almost similar, but the values were significantly smaller than that after intraportal administration (316 microg min/ml) in rats, indicating that gastric first-pass effect was almost negligible (due to negligible absorption of oltipraz from rat stomach), but the intestinal first-pass effect of oltipraz was considerable, approximately 32% of the oral dose. The hepatic first-pass effect of oltipraz was approximately 40% based on AUC values between intravenous and intraportal administration (319 versus 536 microg min/ml). Since approximately 65% of the oral oltipraz was absorbed into the portal vein, the value of 40% was equivalent to 25% of the oral dose. The low F of oltipraz in rats was mainly due to considerable hepatic and intestinal first-pass effects. Copyright (c) 2005 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.

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          • #6
            winny sucks for me, makes my joints feel like shit.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
              winny sucks for me, makes my joints feel like shit.
              Same here and takes me weeks to recover.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by liftsiron View Post
                Same here and takes me weeks to recover.
                more like months when you add letrozole and low cals to the mix.

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                • #9
                  winny killed my joints too but damn did my strength go through the roof when I used it. Only used it a cpl times tho.

                  Hopefully everyone knows by now that there is no point injecting winny because it will not produce better results then taking it orally....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rado
                    But for some, injecting would be better for them only because of it being injected as oppose to taking it orally...That would be me:) You couldn't convince me enough to take it orally should I try it...I would rather deal with the pinch or that little pain while injecting. Who's really done this test? Orally vs. Injection? Which is better? That's like the myth on Tren being SOOOO toxic and you don't want to do this for a long time; lol Seriously...Been on tren a few times for 6 months at a time, 100mgs EOD, still drank my Vodka on the rocks on the weekends, and liver values never went over 40. So who's to say Oral winny is better than injectable?
                    You're a dumbass.... lol I said injectable does not product better results then oral so there is no point injecting it... I never said oral is better then injectable in any way....

                    The point is that winny is processed the same way whether you take it orally or inject it so therefore I suggest people take it orally to avoid everyday pokes... If someone wants to inject it instead then they can go right ahead, I just don't want them to think they will get better results by injecting it cuz they won't....

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rado
                      No bitch...you're the dumb ass...lol...I've got laryngitis again; the past 2 months I've had it twice:mad: I explained myself wrong, I knew what I meant...Just a bit retarded with this damn pressure in my head...so :fufool:

                      I was merely saying that if I would of to try winny, I would shoot it...TO ME, it's more of mind game than anything...Injecting would make me feel like it's working, regardless if it works the same by oral or injecting...For some reason or another, I do enjoy the pain/burn/pinch or whatever you want to call it from the AS I take with the needle...
                      Which has what to do with me pointing out the fact that even tho people like to say injectable qorks better, that is a myth... Oral works just as good. I was just stating that the myth is not true for the guys that didn't know....

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                      • #12
                        [QUOTE=Gator_Mclusky;464345][B]Another top athlete gets popped for Winstrol. And he is a legend in the sport of MMA. One of my favorites ever.....Ken Shamrock and he looks like he's on Winstrol!
                        Some of the most elite get popped using Winstrol, boxers, MMA, Baseball, Football, cycling, track and field...and the list goes on.
                        Heck even Ben Johnson took the Gold Medal with a world record time dusting Carl Lewis.
                        Ive loved it for yrs because I dont like dieting and counting every calorie and carb. I eat clean while on but not that clean and Im convinced that Winstrol cuts with a strict diet and one can be more defined with a decent diet w/o the stress of hating meals or them getting so damned boring.
                        Also I see no reason for taking it orally when it is more potent inj.ing and poses less stress on the Liver.
                        This is how I feel and everyone is different.


                        Seriously KEN SHAMROCK is one of your favorites??? Dudes a bum

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                        • #13
                          [QUOTE=niko gatti;464736]
                          Originally posted by Gator_Mclusky View Post
                          [B]Another top athlete gets popped for Winstrol. And he is a legend in the sport of MMA. One of my favorites ever.....Ken Shamrock and he looks like he's on Winstrol!
                          Some of the most elite get popped using Winstrol, boxers, MMA, Baseball, Football, cycling, track and field...and the list goes on.
                          Heck even Ben Johnson took the Gold Medal with a world record time dusting Carl Lewis.
                          Ive loved it for yrs because I dont like dieting and counting every calorie and carb. I eat clean while on but not that clean and Im convinced that Winstrol cuts with a strict diet and one can be more defined with a decent diet w/o the stress of hating meals or them getting so damned boring.
                          Also I see no reason for taking it orally when it is more potent inj.ing and poses less stress on the Liver.
                          This is how I feel and everyone is different.


                          Seriously KEN SHAMROCK is one of your favorites??? Dudes a bum
                          Well for a bum he is in the UFC Hall of Fame. He got the sport started and was one of the greatest for a good run and drew in Millions in PPV but.....I guess that being said, he's a bum.lol

                          As for the oral vs Inj. debate, that will go on forever. Ive seen one study say it doesnt matter toxicity wise and some that say orals do. Im not chancing it and I guess Im lucky that in 20 yrs of using it off and on I( never had the joint issues and after tearing up my knees riding moto cross I should be hurting.)

                          Everyones different.

                          Good debate gentlemen.....

                          gator

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gator_Mclusky View Post
                            Good debate gentlemen.....

                            gator
                            There is no debate... Winny is a drug that is 17aa just like dbol and anadrol and this is the reason it can be used orally.... This means it will make the first pass through the liver without being harmed much.... And just like other orals, that is what makes them hard on the liver.... The drug has that characteristic whether you inject it or take it orally.... Therefore it is just as harsh on the liver when injected and since it is processed the same way and carries the same characteristics no matter how it is used then why would it's effects change at all?? The answer is they don't..... Do you inject your dbol?? It is also available in an injectable version.... You probably don't and why not?? Cause it will work the same whether you inject it or take it orally... If it worked better don't you think everyone would want the injectable version of dbol as well???

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rado
                              Show me this on paper that oral is same as injectable...Not some mice shit either...Fuck those rodents...
                              does the drug magically become more effective because it is injected?? If so then wouldn't everyone take injectable dbol over oral and injectable anadrol over oral??? (and yes there is injectable anadrol available although it is UG Lab...) The answer is no they don't and it simply because injecting it doesn't change anything in the case of 17aa drugs like winny... It is still processed the same way...

                              How bout you show me a study that says injectable is more effective then oral winny... I will take a study with rats or mice too cause you won't find one....

                              I'm right... I don't need to prove it or argue with you anymore... Accept it and move on

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