very short cycles...

[liftsiron]

yep its all about the diet.

Exactly your choice of anabolics have nothing to do with the fat loss, of course some retain more water than others if you don't use an AI.

[Bouncer]

Was it tren?

yea.

[logan]

No offence but where in the hell did you come up with this stuff?
1. see lifts iron post
2. see lifts iron post
No one could of said it better than lits did. that info is straight outta a book.
3. I have never seen anyone have mood swings on steroids. execption I have seen 1 or 2 guys on tren. I have seen lots of friends on juice.
4. you said you gained 2 lbs in 5 weeks I am sure more than 5 people on here will say they have gained 10 or more lbs in 10-12 week cycles of test E alone. You have to give the steriod time to change your body and your body needs time to change

i have gained more than 2lbs.. the numbers are not important, it was only to illustrate how it works for me, first i gain 4lbs musclemass and 2lbs fat, after the cycle on diet i loose 2lbs fat and 1 lbs muscle...

still i mean that i should gain easier as i have been quite bigger three years ago..

[ROCKETW19]

yea.

LOL, that seems to get a few people! I have never seen anyone have a mood swing on anything else

[logan]

For bulking up a bit I prefer Test E and Tren E or Deca.
For cutting I use Test E and Tren E or Deca.

what is the difference between using test p or test e? as i see it it only makes it active for a longer time, the active ingredient is exactly the same, there are only less of it in test e because of the longer esterchain..

the same goes for other roids as well..

what do you think?

[logan]

LOL, that seems to get a few people! I have never seen anyone have a mood swing on anything else

i dont use tren very often either, i simply just go nuts over nothing..

[ROCKETW19]

what is the difference between using test p or test e? as i see it it only makes it active for a longer time, the active ingredient is exactly the same, there are only less of it in test e because of the longer esterchain..

the same goes for other roids as well..

what do you think?

you are correct test is test! I personal only think you run your cycle to short

[Mr I]

you wouldn't be any less depressed in five weeks than you would be in 12. The only difference would be with proper PCT you wouldn't be depressed for as long a period but only because the cycle is shorter.

Questionable but in any case thats reason enough isn't it?

remember I been doing this stuff a good while bro, been off a year no and I know with total certainty that in 4-5 weeks in a good heavy dose of prop and var I'd gain quick and hard. This actually would look appealing to me now I would do that, introduce HCG after the first week at 500iu per week and I would hold the gains well.

If your competing then thats different, forget a 4-5 week course.

Having been off for a year I initially suffered from around 3-8 months after coming off but now I'm back up to pushing the same ball park weights.:weights:

[logan]

I like the look of this concept Logan, in principle at least. Putting the androgen receptor thing to one side. I like the idea of hotting your system with fast acting androgens, training heavy, frequent and hard while upping food intake or alternatively watching your diet and getting some cardio done, all 0ver 4-5 weeks.

I like this because then your own endocrine system doesn't get to harshly suppressed, it will get suprsssed some but you could even do 500iu hcg starting after the first week for 4 weeks. Then finish, cut your training back some and cruise naturally for 3 months then hit your system again.

When I eventually start back up, if I do, I like the idea of prop and anavar for curing cycle possibly with winny, then for a bulk dbol and prop again.

You really need to try and make the best of those 4-5 weeks with eating and training to maximise the benefits.

you mean i should bulk for 7-8 weeks with cardio? and you use anavar and test prop between cycles?

[liftsiron]

I like the look of this concept Logan, in principle at least. Putting the androgen receptor thing to one side. I like the idea of hotting your system with fast acting androgens, training heavy, frequent and hard while upping food intake or alternatively watching your diet and getting some cardio done, all 0ver 4-5 weeks.

I like this because then your own endocrine system doesn't get to harshly suppressed, it will get suprsssed some but you could even do 500iu hcg starting after the first week for 4 weeks. Then finish, cut your training back some and cruise naturally for 3 months then hit your system again.

When I eventually start back up, if I do, I like the idea of prop and anavar for curing cycle possibly with winny, then for a bulk dbol and prop again.

You really need to try and make the best of those 4-5 weeks with eating and training to maximise the benefits.

The short cycle method you outline keeps overall health in mind and is thoughtful in approach. The short cycles that I object to are those that advocate 4 weeks on with only 2 weeks off then repeat this over and over. I feel that this never allows for recovery.

[logan]

The short cycle method you outline keeps overall health in mind and is thoughtful in approach. The short cycles that I object to are those that advocate 4 weeks on with only 2 weeks off then repeat this over and over. I feel that this never allows for recovery.

if i have been on roids for 5 weeks, i have also held a 5 week break after..?!?

[liftsiron]

if i have been on roids for 5 weeks, i have also held a 5 week break after..?!?

Time on equals time off is another myth. Many people won't be fully recovered with only five weeks of PCT following a five week cycle, in my experience it seems six weeks is the average in some cases shorter in some longer. Which is more important than a given number of weeks off is getting post cycle blood work done to insure that liver, kidneys, and endocrine levels are at proper levels. Recovery time for a ten week cycle most often is the same for a five week cycle, like I said earlier most people shut down very quickly once a cycle starts. HCG itself can shut you down so should NOT be used as part of a PCT protocol. If you have shrinking testes, it's better to utilize HCG during the cycle, this will keep the boys full and will not inhibit recovery.

[logan]

if its not because of receptor breakdown or insulin resistans, testosterone shutdown, thats the reason why steroids dont work more than 5-8 weeks, what happens then? i mean there must be some reason why they dont work more than 5-8weeks..

i have also heard that if the blood is filled with testosterone, the body downregulates the numbers of receptors...?!?

however, when it comes to steroids and effects of it, i think the body have many mechanisms to regulate itself..

what do you think?

[Bouncer]

yea, i dont think anyone here said they only work for 5-8 weeks. most of us run at least 12 week cycles for a reason.

[logan]

Who said that steroids don't work for longer than 5-8wks? I'd like to see or read that.

i described earlier in the thread, that i usually stop growing muscle after about 5 weeks into a cycle.. because of that i only use roids for a max of 5 weeks, and is also why i have made this thread.. as i said earlier i have been a lot bigger, and almost no fat, with little water as well 3 years ago, but i have never been able to get growth from roids more than 5 weeks max on each cycle..