Questions from a new dude

[lowcashcowboy]

bros, I am about to run my first ever cycle and have some questions. I keep to myself at the gym for the most part so im lookin to you for advice. My diet, workout and cardio are all in check going in.

I have 200 ml of enth
100 ml of prop
100 ml of var

Sounds crazy but im not using all of it right now. Tryin to make it go into summer next year. Not lookin to stack a crazy wad of stuff. First cycle will prolly be either prop or enth for 15 weeks by itself at 400-500mg wk. here are my 3 questions....

1. All i have for pct is Arimidex 60X1mg is this good enough since my test dose isn't that high

2. What would you do with the var, stack in 2nd cycle or use by itself between test cycles? If I decided i wanted to use in between how soon after the test cycle could i start it?

3. I have always taken a bunch of creatine, glu-talyn, NO pw's, protein shakes etc....the natty way is there any benefit to keep using these when running test?

thanks for the help

[liftsiron]

You need a serm for pct arimidex is an AI to be used during cycle.

[lowcashcowboy]

i thought it was supposed to be mildly effective as a pct.....that is incorrect i take it?

[liftsiron]

Yes that's wrong.

[lowcashcowboy]

Can you give some advice on the other ?'s as well?

[Bouncer]

Yes that's wrong.

sorry but once again you are wrong on this subject. while nolvadex is preferred over adex or letro in terms of PCT, they will all bring natural test levels back much faster compared to if you use nothing at all.


to the OP, of course there is a benefit to supps like protein powder, creatine, etc.. while on steroids.

as for the var, IMO it is so mild it is a worthless steroid. creatine is more effective IMO.

[lowcashcowboy]

Ty the bouncer, would you say then that it is okay to use the arimidex as my pct? If so how would you dose it?

I will probably just throw the var in on 2nd cycle then or do you think it would be okay to bridge? ( i realize you just said it's worthless but i need to do something with it)

[Bouncer]

Ty the bouncer, would you say then that it is okay to use the arimidex as my pct? If so how would you dose it?

I will probably just throw the var in on 2nd cycle then or do you think it would be okay to bridge? ( i realize you just said it's worthless but i need to do something with it)

just use the var with cycle, no such thing as a "bridge". you are either on or off.

you could use adex, but like i said, nolv is better. you can get nolv cheap and easy right here. Tamoxifen 50mL 20mg/mL

[bigscott]

just use the var with cycle, no such thing as a "bridge". you are either on or off.

you could use adex, but like i said, nolv is better. you can get nolv cheap and easy right here. Tamoxifen 50mL 20mg/mL

agreed !!

[liftsiron]

sorry but once again you are wrong on this subject. while nolvadex is preferred over adex or letro in terms of PCT, they will all bring natural test levels back much faster compared to if you use nothing at all.


to the OP, of course there is a benefit to supps like protein powder, creatine, etc.. while on steroids.

as for the var, IMO it is so mild it is a worthless steroid. creatine is more effective IMO.

I'm wrong in the world according to Bouncer. An AI for pct and creatine stronger than anavar...WOW!!!!

[Bouncer]

Lol, lifts I think you are still in the 1980'a when it comes to Pct. :D

[liftsiron]

Lol, lifts I think you are still in the 1980'a when it comes to Pct. :D

You can recover using an AI, but the AI doesn't do anything, it's the same as recovering without using anything. An AI blocks the enzyme 5alpha reductase it does diddly for stimulation of the HTPA axis to produce LH or FSH.

[Bouncer]

No it's not the same as using nothing, adex, letro, etc.. Increases natural test levels many times over placebo. Your just wrong.

[liftsiron]

No it's not the same as using nothing, adex, letro, etc.. Increases natural test levels many times over placebo. Your just wrong.

Not with a shut down HTPA they won't. They increased testosterone levels in post menopausal old women dying of cancer from 0 to above 0. If the AI's worked liked your suggesting, no one would use steroids anymore. There are just to many bodybuilding myths and or half truths accepted as gospel on the boards by to many vets as well as newbes.
Hooker had his hand in much of the B.S. accepted as fact as well as a few others. AI's will increase levels of free bio available testosterone by blocking it's conversion to estrogen so I suppose one could say that AI's increase testosterone, similar in respect to proviron raising test levels by binding the available SHBG. But AI's don't increase production of viable amounts of LH and FSH which is needed for a faster recovery.

[Bouncer]

I could take you same argument and say, "if nolvadex worked like you said, nobody would use steroids." Its a stupid statement and you know it. We are talking about bringing test levels back to normal when they are low. An AI or a SERM would never replace a steroid..

Here are a few quick reads for you..

In one clinical study Letrozole was able to reduce estrogen levels to undetectable levels (2), and in another clinical study done on both young and elderly men, intravenous administration of Letrozole lowered Estrogen by 46% in the young men tested, and 62% in the elderly subjects. Because estrogen is part of the negative feedback loop of the hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - , Letrozole (and other anti-estrogens) are able to raise testosterone in male subjects. Letrozole was studied in men, and found to significantly increase lh - leutenizing hormone - - leutenizing hormone - levels to a 339 and 323% in the young and the elderly, respectively and testosterone by 146 and 99%, respectively. (3) Letrozole was also able to produce a peak lh - leutenizing hormone - response to Gonadatropin Releasing Hormone equal to a 152 and 52% increase from baseline in either young or older men, respectively (3). In a similar study 0.02 mg of Letrozole increased testosterone by 45% after 2 days. (4) That same twenty micrograms of Letrozole was also enough, in one study done on men, to reduce estrogen levels by roughly a third. (4)


(read through this whole thing) http://joe.endocrinology-journals.or.../182/1/165.pdf


Letrozole once a week normalizes serum testosterone in obesity-related male hypogonadism. Letrozole once a week normalizes serum testosteron... [Eur J Endocrinol. 2008] - PubMed result