Its time! Cycle thoughts and opinions please

[Mr I]

So I been off since June 2010 which saw me finish a 12 week cycle of test enanth 500mg per week and that was after a 9 month layoff.

I've trained consistently albeit my diet has been messy due to renovation work etc. I'm back in the swing now and can more easily plan my 6 meals a day and have been eating well for a week or so. Looking to start in about 2-3 weeks.

I'm a little sloppy at about 240-245lb and looking to add quality through strict diet of clean bulk. My thoughts are with propionate as a base for 8 weeks. Regular jabs I know but its a quick onset and once you stop its out quick also and that's what I want.

I'll be running intermitent HMG shots throughout and will do 4 weeks pct after of nolva.

I'll be looking to do 100mg eod so that equates 350mg per week of test.

I am looking to add Var to it at a relatively high dose of 70mg ed.

Is there a reason to restrict Var to less than 8 weeks? Just want genuine know answers and please keep in mind how long I've been off.

[ROCKETW19]

No reason why you cant run var for 8 weeks. Var is still bad for your liver but nothing like anadrol, winny,ect. 70mgs is not really that high compared to what I have seen. I notice most run it at 80mgs.

[Mr I]

No reason why you cant run var for 8 weeks. Var is still bad for your liver but nothing like anadrol, winny,ect. 70mgs is not really that high compared to what I have seen. I notice most run it at 80mgs.

OK thanks Rocket, Its not like I'm on all the time and I'll be sure to up my water while using an oral

[Bouncer]

Interested in seeing how you like the high dose var with the test.

[ROCKETW19]

Var is NOT bad for the liver at all,

that there is just a silly statment. now comparing it to the others sure its not as bad but still bad

[Bouncer]

Var 17aa or no?

[Bouncer]

So what's your argument on tren then lol...

is var 17aa? i dont know.

tren is hard on the kidneys, not the liver.

[Bouncer]

"The principal drawback of Anavar is its c-17 alpha-alkylation. If you’re not new to the world of synthetic steroids, you must have heard about the warnings with regards to the dangers of 17aa orals. Steroids with this chemical alteration can damage the liver, and although Anavar is considered a mild compound, it can still cause hepatic problems. There have been rare clinical reports that indicate Anavar use has resulted to hepatic disorders that include growth of cysts and tumors on the liver."

[ROCKETW19]

Var 17aa or no?

YES

[ROCKETW19]

"The principal drawback of Anavar is its c-17 alpha-alkylation. If you’re not new to the world of synthetic steroids, you must have heard about the warnings with regards to the dangers of 17aa orals. Steroids with this chemical alteration can damage the liver, and although Anavar is considered a mild compound, it can still cause hepatic problems. There have been rare clinical reports that indicate Anavar use has resulted to hepatic disorders that include growth of cysts and tumors on the liver."

I will post later its to long to type out but this is close enough for now. My study has % of liver values elevating ECT.

RADO you know already I like you but seriously bro you dont know much about AAS at all when you do post about them you are usally wrong like now. no big deal dont get all defensive on me now either. Iwill post up my study later mean time you try and find something that says liver values dont change on anavar, good luck

[ROCKETW19]

How so? You base this "theory" on what's been said on the boards for years...I'll have blood work done when on Var just by itself and we'll see how bad it really is lol...

honestly I dont listen to to many people on the boards cuz they are full of people like you that talk about shit they dont know. I get my info from studys ect sure some can be off and some get d-bunked over time but it is still more fact based than some tard on the net.

[Mr I]

Thanks for the input guys and I look forward to any studies. Another side effect I'm slightly concerned about is the squits which can happen, combined with the NO Xplode this should be interesting, might have to drop to one scoop.

[ROCKETW19]

Thanks for the input guys and I look forward to any studies. Another side effect I'm slightly concerned about is the squits which can happen, combined with the NO Xplode this should be interesting, might have to drop to one scoop.

Sorry Mr I, I will type it out or at least the important stuff. Hopefully tomorrow?
I have it in a book so i cant just copy paste i have to sit here with one finger and peck each word out,lol.

[Mr I]

Sorry Mr I, I will type it out or at least the important stuff. Hopefully tomorrow?
I have it in a book so i cant just copy paste i have to sit here with one finger and peck each word out,lol.

Don't worry about it bro, thanks anyway.

I expected some sort of adverse cholesterol profile reaction since its an oral, and had forgotten it was A17A. Those being said I doubt its anything like anadrol as you say. Anadrol lol, took that about 20 years ago ! One and only time.

If I was taking drol I would do it for 4 weeks max.

Its funny I had a blood test about a year ago while off and the doc said that there were signs that at some point in my life id had the lesser serious hepititus, I was shocked and said id never felt really that ill before. Perhaps that was the hepatic state resultant from drol lol!

[Mr I]

No offense homie;)

But Var is not harsh like you make it and others for that matter...Studies don't mean shit at times because they're so many of them. I do know my AS, just don't like debate them since so many of us have different opinions. Mine are based on blood work. Yes we're all different as to why Var COULD be more harmful to one person than the other.

But fact remains that Var is mild on the liver; that's a fact...Don't care how you slice it bro. It's a mild drug, even in results. Unless you're taking doses of 150mgs or more ED, then yes it would be harsh. But a dose of 50-75mgs ED; far from harsh.

Does it have some impact on the liver? I'm sure it does, but far from "harsh" bro...Get your words right:)

Rocket said it was bad for the liver, as in, not good and as in negative, so bad. He then went on to say its not as bad as drol ande winny etc.

Bouncer has postedd an excerpt to say its A17A which if youn know anything about AAS you would know that this creates 'some' stress on the liver.

Your trying to make an argument that isn't there becuase you yourself in the above quote have said 'it has en effect on the liver'

calm down bro:)