Reandron 1000

[GreyingWolf]

Test Undecanoate - Release rates and clinical study results

[redback]

Isn't that the stuff they are substituting sus250 with for HRT in Australia?

[henry]

HRT - Hair replacement therapy? nothings going to bring your hair back bro

[redback]

ahahahaa

[GreyingWolf]

Isn't that the stuff they are substituting sus250 with for HRT in Australia?

yep. its supposed to last 10 wks.

[Bouncer]

HRT - Hair replacement therapy? nothings going to bring your hair back bro

the fuck? hormone replacement therapy dipshit. :rofl:

[GreyingWolf]

Found this on using Nebido/Reandron s cycle base - leaves a lot of unaswered question

Apart from a general desire to understand the ins-and-outs of using
different Testosterone esters my motivation here is based on learning
how Nebido/Reandron 1000(Testosterone Undecanoate), can be effectively
used in a cycle and if it can be used alone. The jury is still out on that
(for me), but i have a suspicion it can be used, with a yet to be
determined and somewhat creative dosing schedule. However, realistically
it /might/ need to be preloaded or stacked with a shorter half-life ester or some
other anabolic to actually be worth using, all things considered.

The big question for me at this point is what does it mean to have a
super high amount of unmetabolised Testosterone ester in the body?
(eg) 5000-6000mg
If anyone can shed some light on how the unmetabolised Test affects the
body i'd really like to know.

After writing my own half-life calculator software and experimenting
with the numbers for injection frequency, dosage, and half-lifes
i think i have a good understanding of how different Testosterone
esters (half-lives) affect the dosage amount and frequency required to
elicit a desired response. By "desired response" i mean a similar
physiological affect to using 500mg/week of Test Enanthate every 7 days
for the average user on their 1-3 Test only cycle.

To put it as simply as possible; i'm thinking that the amount of
Testosterone per week that is metabolised is the measure of the
effectiveness. Not the amount of mg currently "in the body".
Note: This is not something i have read directly, its just the conclusion i have come to
from the research i've done into Testosterone esters and use (so it might be less than
100% correct, 100% correct or completely wrong .

It might be common knowledge to some (or many) of you, but it's something
i've not really understood clearly until very recently. Note: I'm not referring
to it as "free Testosterone" due to the fact that free Testosterone
metabolises within an hour or two (which just leads to further confusion).

This is a basic outline for two Testosterone cycles, Enanthate and
Propionate and is followed by a cycle example for Testosterone Undecanoate):

Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/ml.
Testosterone Propionate 100mg/ml.
Testosterone Undecanoate 250mg/ml.

The weekly amount metabolised is the important number.

A) 10 week 500mg/week Testosterone Enanthate, we get something like
(ballpark figures):
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Total mg/Injection: 500
Compound half-life in days: 7
Cycle length in days: 90
Injection frequency: 7
Total number of injections: 10
Day (7), Week1 Metabolised :245
Day (7), ---- Injection: 2, Total blood level is: 750.0
Day (14), Week2 Metabolised :371
Day (14), ---- Injection: 3, Total blood level is: 875.0000000000001
Day (21), Week3 Metabolised :434
Day (21), ---- Injection: 4, Total blood level is: 938.0
Day (28), Week4 Metabolised :469
Day (28), ---- Injection: 5, Total blood level is: 969.0
Day (35), Week5 Metabolised :483
Day (35), ---- Injection: 6, Total blood level is: 985.0000000000002
Day (42), Week6 Metabolised :490
Day (42), ---- Injection: 7, Total blood level is: 993.0
Day (49), Week7 Metabolised :490
Day (49), ---- Injection: 8, Total blood level is: 996.9999999999998
Day (56), Week8 Metabolised :497
Day (56), ---- Injection: 9, Total blood level is: 999.0
Day (63), Week9 Metabolised :497
Day (63), ---- Injection: 10, Total blood level is: 999.9999999999998
Day (70), Week10 Metabolised :497
Day (77), Week11 Metabolised :245
Day (84), Week12 Metabolised :119
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B) 10 week 150mg eod Testosterone Propionate, we get something like
(ballpark figures):
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Total mg/Injection: 150
Compound half-life in days: 2
Cycle length in days: 90
Injection frequency: 2
Total number of injections: 35

Day (2), ---- Injection: 2, Total blood level is: 225.0
Day (4), ---- Injection: 3, Total blood level is: 263.0
Day (6), ---- Injection: 4, Total blood level is: 282.0
Day (7), Week1 Metabolised :386
Day (8), ---- Injection: 5, Total blood level is: 291.0
Day (10), ---- Injection: 6, Total blood level is: 296.0
Day (12), ---- Injection: 7, Total blood level is: 298.0
Day (14), Week2 Metabolised :510
Day (14), ---- Injection: 8, Total blood level is: 299.0
Day (16), ---- Injection: 9, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (18), ---- Injection: 10, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (20), ---- Injection: 11, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (21), Week3 Metabolised :523
Day (22), ---- Injection: 12, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (24), ---- Injection: 13, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (26), ---- Injection: 14, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (28), Week4 Metabolised :525
Day (28), ---- Injection: 15, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (30), ---- Injection: 16, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (32), ---- Injection: 17, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (34), ---- Injection: 18, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (35), Week5 Metabolised :525
Day (36), ---- Injection: 19, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (38), ---- Injection: 20, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (40), ---- Injection: 21, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (42), Week6 Metabolised :525
Day (42), ---- Injection: 22, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (44), ---- Injection: 23, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (46), ---- Injection: 24, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (48), ---- Injection: 25, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (49), Week7 Metabolised :525
Day (50), ---- Injection: 26, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (52), ---- Injection: 27, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (54), ---- Injection: 28, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (56), Week8 Metabolised :525
Day (56), ---- Injection: 29, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (58), ---- Injection: 30, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (60), ---- Injection: 31, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (62), ---- Injection: 32, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (63), Week9 Metabolised :525
Day (64), ---- Injection: 33, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (66), ---- Injection: 34, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (68), ---- Injection: 35, Total blood level is: 300.0
Day (70), Week10 Metabolised :525
Day (77), Week11 Metabolised :132
Day (84), Week12 Metabolised :10
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As you can see the fact that Testosterone Enanthate takes around 4 weeks
to get to the point where 500mg/week is being metabolised would account
for the anecdotal evidence that Enanthate takes around 4 weeks to "kick
in" while Propionate basically "kicks in" from week 1.
Note: both cycles provide approximately the same amount of metabolised
Testosterone per week (500mg).

Now, this is what happens when the recommended TRT dosage of Testosterone
Undecanoate is used (Nebido/Reandron 1000).
The recommended TRT does is 4ml(1000mg) in one injection every 10-12 weeks.
They also recommend a second injection at the six week mark(day 35) when
initially starting.

C) 10 week 1000mg (day 1 and 35) Testosterone Undecanoate, we get
something like (ballpark figures):
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Total mg/Injection: 1000
Compound half-life in days: 34
Cycle length in days: 100
Total number of injections: 2
Injecting on day: 35

Day (7), Week1 Metabolised :98
Day (14), Week2 Metabolised :98
Day (21), Week3 Metabolised :98
Day (28), Week4 Metabolised :98
Day (35), Week5 Metabolised :91
Day (35), ---- Injection: 2, Total blood level is: 1492.676470588234
Day (42), Week6 Metabolised :147
Day (49), Week7 Metabolised :147
Day (56), Week8 Metabolised :147
Day (63), Week9 Metabolised :147
Day (70), Week10 Metabolised :127
Day (77), Week11 Metabolised :77
Day (84), Week12 Metabolised :77
Day (91), Week13 Metabolised :77
Day (98), Week14 Metabolised :77
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Clearly this is not going to provide the desired response, so we would
need to inject more frequently than at the half life point. We want to
get to somewhere that has 450-500mg or more, Metabolised per week.
The problem is the total blood levels will be through the roof!! Which
is my main question. Super high total blood levels? Is that going to be
a problem physiologically or otherwise?

This is where is gets interesting, IMO.

D) 10 week 1000mg, Testosterone Undecanoate, we get something like
(ballpark figures):
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Total mg/Injection: 1000
Compound half-life in days: 34
Cycle length in days: 100
Total number of injections: 9
Injecting on day: 2
Injecting on day: 7
Injecting on day: 8
Injecting on day: 14
Injecting on day: 15
Injecting on day: 20
Injecting on day: 30
Injecting on day: 50

Day (2), ---- Injection: 2, Total blood level is: 1970.5882352941176
Day (7), Week1 Metabolised :168
Day (7), ---- Injection: 3, Total blood level is: 2825.735294117647
Day (8), ---- Injection: 4, Total blood level is: 3784.205882352941
Day (14), Week2 Metabolised :371
Day (14), ---- Injection: 5, Total blood level is: 4450.323529411766
Day (15), ---- Injection: 6, Total blood level is: 5384.8823529411775
Day (20), ---- Injection: 7, Total blood level is: 5989.000000000002
Day (21), Week3 Metabolised :548
Day (28), Week4 Metabolised :616
Day (30), ---- Injection: 8, Total blood level is: 6108.411764705885
Day (35), Week5 Metabolised :616
Day (42), Week6 Metabolised :588
Day (49), Week7 Metabolised :588
Day (50), ---- Injection: 9, Total blood level is: 5396.647058823524
Day (56), Week8 Metabolised :558
Day (63), Week9 Metabolised :553
Day (70), Week10 Metabolised :511
Day (77), Week11 Metabolised :406
Day (84), Week12 Metabolised :406
Day (91), Week13 Metabolised :406
Day (98), Week14 Metabolised :406

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This cycle provides reasonable numbers for metabolised Testosterone we are
looking for, but look at the total blood levels!
I'm not sure if this would actually be toxic or what would happen to a
person who used this cycle.

There are other injection frequency variations of course, it might be
possible to find a happy medium for Total Testosterone and metabolised
Testosterone. Not sure. I'll continue to play the numbers with my
half-life calculator and see what happens.

In conclusion; whether this ester is appropriate to use alone is still
unknown to me and is really based on the effect of having super high
amounts of Total Testosterone in the system and what that really means
for the body.

[henry]

the fuck? hormone replacement therapy dipshit. :rofl:

i knew what HRT was i was making a joke. americans dont understand humor unless its from jay leno.

[redback]

i knew what HRT was i was making a joke. americans dont understand humor unless its from jay leno.

Haha :thumup: I have been trying to tell them that for years