Hope to find what caused gyno

[vinnie1938]

Today under the shower I pinched my right nip after more then 2weeks..I'm quite sure that lump is pretty much the same size as it was back then.

Chest looks much better now, but have been dieting hard and lost a lot of estrogen fat that bild up in lower chest area after last cycle. If I press my finger on nip, it's not that bad at all but if a pinch it with two fingers, it's solid slim bean size lump and it's not soft, quite hard actually..and bigger then left one, which is bearly noticable, normal size I would say. As far as I know, hard lump doesn't go away with letro or am I wrong? :rolleyes:

[Bouncer]

I have gotten rid of hard lump about the size of a dime on letro

[vinnie1938]

I have gotten rid of hard lump about the size of a dime on letro

How thick was it? Mine isn't really that big, but thick, like bean. It's not that I don't believe you, really..what bothers me is the fact that it's pretty much the same for last couple of weeks, like it's not getting smaller anymore. Did it take that long for you too?

Do you have any tips for me in terms of not loosing too much size? Obviously it's not to smart to do a bulk right now, or?! Can I use creatine and melatonin at night?

[wheyman]

Everybody is different in what they can handle. I had a run in with gyno, but I think it was stupidity on my part with how often I was injecting cyp and eq. I finished EQ three weeks ago and I'm still on cyp and my bacne is much better.

Once I took Bouncer's advice on injections, everything is better than ever. Follow the advice here with the letro and nova. If doesn't work, you may have to go to the doc. Just don't tell him you think it's gyno. Gyno removal isn't covered under insurance if you are already diagnosed prior to the removal. If they remove it first, then find it's gyno, it's covered. Been there done that.

[blm]

Just don't tell him you think it's gyno. Gyno removal isn't covered under insurance if you are already diagnosed prior to the removal. If they remove it first, then find it's gyno, it's covered. Been there done that.

Good advice.

[vinnie1938]

Wheyman, thanx for the advice!

B, thanx for help. It's not that I can't handle the sides, it's the fucking mind, this shit really fucks with my head :( It's mentally tough if you think there's no improvement and you still stick with it. But fuck it, life is a bitch sometimes :)
As for creatine and melatonin, I believe it has nothing to do with it so should be fine using it!?

Thanx guys.

[Bouncer]

How thick was it? Mine isn't really that big, but thick, like bean. It's not that I don't believe you, really..what bothers me is the fact that it's pretty much the same for last couple of weeks, like it's not getting smaller anymore. Did it take that long for you too?

Do you have any tips for me in terms of not loosing too much size? Obviously it's not to smart to do a bulk right now, or?! Can I use creatine and melatonin at night?

i think it took about 3 months. yea it was about the size and thickness of a bean good comparison.

[Ashop]

Continuing discussion here...so my last two cycles(two out of three i did, my first was the test only)

1. 500mg test enanthate for 10weeks (1. week frontloaded 750mg test)
2. 500mg test enanthate for 10weeks, 400mg eq for 12 weeks + 2weeks test prop at the end

In the second option, no problems regarding gyno what so ever, in the first option, that was my last cycle, gyno in 3. week. So could it be related with eq somehow lowering estro?!? Maybe frontload caused it?
In both cases diet was very clean, some junk food maybe 1 meal every three weeks and I would like to find out what caused the gyno cause was doing everything pretty much the same..so far my only explanation is that my body just(hormones) just suddenly reacted in this way!?
I already know what to do to avoid this in the future, B already adviced to use nolva...but anyway..would just like to know out of curiosity what the hell went wrong :rolleyes:

Thanx for any help in advance :)

Blood work will tell the facts. I'm guessing it's estrogen related. Best to use an AI with your cycles to avoid this type of issues.

[vinnie1938]

I still have letro for about two weeks. What do I really risk not using nolva after? I'm on my 12th week of letro so it's going to be a 14week run.

What supps if any after letro reversal? Test booster, tribulus, etc.?

Thanx.

[Bouncer]

I still have letro for about two weeks. What do I really risk not using nolva after? I'm on my 12th week of letro so it's going to be a 14week run.

What supps if any after letro reversal? Test booster, tribulus, etc.?

Thanx.

lmao @ test booster. bro read the letro thread. 99% of the people in that thread have gyno becaause of a test booster!!!

slowly come of the letro and dont use anything that will fuck with your hormones.

[vinnie1938]

I hear you, but that doesn't apply for time after hormones get back to normal?! Or? You are against it in general?

You think I would be good without nolva after?

[Bouncer]

"test boosters" are always garbage. better off with real testosterone and using it with nolv.

you can use nolv after if you want. i personally would come of the the letro very slowly and not use nolv.

[vinnie1938]

How should I tapper of with 2.5 tabs? I'm at 0.625/day..same dose eod for 1week, than 1week at sane dose e3d?

[Bouncer]

yea exactly.

[auri]

Nolva has been clinically shown to reduce the size of fibrous tissue in breasts due to gyno. A Japanese study if I recall correctly, I'll search for it this weekend and see if I can find it.