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I havent been to one of these forums in years (although I used to frequent more than a few between 01-05) but I just discovered something that rather necessitated circling back. No more finaplix on the planet.. So back into research mode. I would really appreciate an understanding of the additional step needed to remove estrodiol. From a science perspective, what exactly are the mechanisms involved? I'm assuming its something like adding x causes y to attach and by doing q it causes separation of a & b. Then once the tren in isolated we're back to a basic fina suspension operation. But when folks start talking about adding carb cleaner (heet)to an injectible I start to thing "hmm, I'd better understand this crap before I go throwing money at something I'm gonna end up pouring down the toilet" if you know what I mean. I've already located "kits" and have plenty of the basics like BA/BB/oil etc on hand. Actually if its the same as synovex I'll most likely start doing my own prop too. I've just avoided that whole lab route and stuck to only messing with tren because its easy. I guess I have to kick it up a notch now. I'd really appreciate a brainy explanation of the actual chemical sequence involved theoretically speaking before I get my hands dirty. Thanks for any help. I'll be hovering around and chatting now that I'm here.
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if you search back a few pages you will see a dude did a complete write up about this same thing you ask.Originally posted by reconmedic View Post -
Dosent look like the actual steps were posted yet?Comment
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There are a couple of options here. Both are from other sites around.
Method 1
Gather about 2-3 of the carts together and grind them up with the back of a spoon and make the pellets into as fine of a powder as you can. Then, get 50 ml of diethyl ether and mix this combination together in a bowl. You then have to let the solution evaporate allowing crystals to form in the bowl. The crystals that form at the top of the bowl contain the estradiol that you are trying to get rid of. You then need to place this solution in the freezer overnight to help aid in most of the estradiol being removed from the testosterone-ether solution. By the next morning, you will pull this solution out of the freezer and the frozen crystallized estradiol will have risen to the top of the bowl. You then would scrape or scoop the crystals off the top of the solution and get rid of them. The remaining crystal that are left at the bottom of the bowl contain the Revalor that you are trying to get. Then let them air dry for a while to get the majority of the ether off the crystals. You then need to place these crystals in the oven on a low temperature to get rid of any ether that remains for a few hours and you should have left the dry Revalor crystals that you need with a minimum of ether left in them. Make sure you have let them air dry first though. Make sure that it is a electric oven as well, you definitely don't want to use a gas oven for this procedure.
Method 2
This is originally for syno, but it applies to revalor too
2- NaOH for one hour WILL work to remove the Benzoate ester from estrogen, but leave MOST of the propionate ester on the test.
How? Why? The Oxygen we are trying to hydrolize on the estrogen ester is 2nd degree allylic- very reactive! The test propionate ester's oxygen is just 2nd degree- not nearly as reactive. So the science is this, if you leave in the saturated NaOH solution for one hour it will attack all of the benzoate esters quickly (and also some of the prop esters, but much more slowely). This leaves you with mostly esterdoil salt (sol in H2O) some test salt (aka test base, sol in H20) AND test prop with some small amount of estrogen benzoate left. NOT TO Worry!
Now that we have taken care of MOST of the estrogen benzoate we can use the recrystallization method on the first page of this post to make test prop crystals that are very clean.
Why? How? Because as the first re-cryst. poster said, we have 10:1 test:estro. so the test will precipitate out first as it will be saturated in solution first if we add water. Since we removed most of the estrogen benzoate with our saponification (ie NaOH reaction) we now hove a solution that is 100:1 or even 1000:1 test:estrogen.
So I do the following... I will be brief as most of this info is already on here and you can piece it together.
Disolve in HEET, Filter.
Add Conc. NaOH to filtrate for one hour.
Add COLD distilled water dropwise to precipitate test prop crystals (test base is sol. in water, so we will loss that, but I would rather have the prop myself) 500ml of cold water will suffice, filter crystals, rinse with copious amounts of COLD COLD COLD distilled water.
Now... we have a ton of test prop with respect to estrogen benzoate SO
re-crystallize... disolve the crystals above in HEET. Warm this up a little and add COLD distilled water again. due to the very high ratio of Test:estro we are making essentially PURE test prop this time. Filter.
Now you could do this again or just dry your crystals. I do 3 total crystallizations, including the first. Each time you do it you ae cutting the small amount of estrogen down. No method, no kit nothing will remove 100% of the estrogen, but at this point your body will make much more aromatizing the test then you will have in your pin. Basic precautions and good PCT, which you should always use anyway, will make this a non-issue.Comment
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yeah. impressive. Not kissing azz but its nice to see someone talk about the diethyl ether method. I first read about that in 1997 I believe. And as for the heet and naoh method- that is the best understanding of how they work from my research and I have spent hundreds of hours (sadly) checking this out. I have several how to instructions posted myself, as well as how to take a prop ester or base from syno and attach different esters using acids, but that's work and isn't syno gone anyway. GOOD POSTComment
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