Eq vs. Masteron

[vinnie1938]

ok with out typing all the BS it goes like this
the mastron will fight to attach to the same receptors as your nolva or what ever you are taking along with freeing up more test.

so if you need nolva when on cycle mastron will probably not be a good choice as it will sorta block the nolva if that makes sence

If you are fine on cycle with no nolva it should be ok

Thanx bro! It seems somehow logical, can you point me to the source of this?
As for nolva, I must say it works really well in terms of stopping early gyno fast, but obviously just ain't for me.

When on cylce, I was on 10mg of nolv and in couple of days a little less bloat and obvious difference in muscle fullnes, pump just wasn't the same again...anyone else with same experience?
When off, I ran it in pct and after letro reversal, both times libido crashed. When I did clomid pct, no problems, so my next pct is definitely clomid again, maybe adding some mild AI(still considering this one)

So if I decide for mast, I'll definitely use adex on cycle, star at 0.25 eod and go from there.

[vinnie1938]

they're very divergent, with mast your gonna feel a nice alpha male androgenic.kick.but not a bad trippy one you might get with tren, expect aggressive workouts.

eq is.trully an anabolic to be.stacked with an androgen, will increase protien synthesis and work slowly but quality.

Nice explaining man, thanx :) From this it's hard to choose, it may be that combining both would be optimal :cool:


But never the less, eq simes better for more gains, and correct me if wrong..but mast should really be ran in higher doses(>400mg) to really do it's job?!

[vinnie1938]

always a fucken drawback. adex flattens me out way to much even very low dose. :disagree:

Hmm, how? Muscle fullnes decreases? And with nolv not even a bit? I've experienced it with nolv on cylce, as soon as stopped the pump was back in couple of days.

[Mr I]

Nice explaining man, thanx :) From this it's hard to choose, it may be that combining both would be optimal :cool:
But never the less, eq simes better for more gains, and correct me if wrong..but mast should really be ran in higher doses(>400mg) to really do it's job?!

the dosages required of eq to be effective take you right into the danger zone for blood thickening IMO

[vinnie1938]

the dosages required of eq to be effective take you right into the danger zone for blood thickening IMO

Yeah, agree. Running EQ between 400-500 mg a week for a while, and with alot of cardio and clean diet, BP and blood thickening should stay about the same as it is off cycle. IMO I think cardio and diet play a larger roll in this apect. Add to that low sodium. Aren't eq dosages >800mg/week really the problem of blood thickening? One could always add some baby aspirin once or twice a day, but hey, one drug for another, don't know really. Shit, if eq is primarily for cardio performance, why the hell use it in bb anyway??

If I was to stay at lower doses, say max 1g/week, would this look ok: test enth 250mg(500mg)/week, eq 400mg/week, mast 400mg/week?! Is there any point in running eq or mast lower? I believe not.

[Bouncer]

Hmm, how? Muscle fullnes decreases? And with nolv not even a bit? I've experienced it with nolv on cylce, as soon as stopped the pump was back in couple of days.

yes. no issue with nolv because it doesnt lower estro, just blocks it. adex on the other hands lowers estro and a little estro is essential for muscle gains etc. i hate adex, letro etc. for how it makes me look.

[ROCKETW19]

Yeah, agree. Running EQ between 400-500 mg a week for a while, and with alot of cardio and clean diet, BP and blood thickening should stay about the same as it is off cycle. IMO I think cardio and diet play a larger roll in this apect. Add to that low sodium. Aren't eq dosages >800mg/week really the problem of blood thickening? One could always add some baby aspirin once or twice a day, but hey, one drug for another, don't know really. Shit, if eq is primarily for cardio performance, why the hell use it in bb anyway??

If I was to stay at lower doses, say max 1g/week, would this look ok: test enth 250mg(500mg)/week, eq 400mg/week, mast 400mg/week?! Is there any point in running eq or mast lower? I believe not.

EQ not just fro cardio it is a lean mass builder perfect for someone who cant gain weight but wants the strength and size of lean mass. Any fighter and almost all athletes this is perfect. and of coarse race horses.

[Bouncer]

its funny the reactions people have to different stuff. always thought eq was crap from when i used the QV stuff forever ago. it was def real just got nothing from it.

[ROCKETW19]

its funny the reactions people have to different stuff. always thought eq was crap from when i used the QV stuff forever ago. it was def real just got nothing from it.

What mg did you take

[Mr I]

its funny the reactions people have to different stuff. always thought eq was crap from when i used the QV stuff forever ago. it was def real just got nothing from it.

QV was an underground lab correct?

[Mr I]

vinnie, are you any clearer on this now?

[vinnie1938]

its funny the reactions people have to different stuff. always thought eq was crap from when i used the QV stuff forever ago. it was def real just got nothing from it.

Agree bro, human body is really interesting mistery :) As for eq, from own experience couldn't say it did shit, vascularity was awesome, also stamina increased a bit, but to be honest, muscle gains weren't impressive, expected more from it. That's why I'm looking for something else.

For example, nolv on cycle..did letro and nolv, never used adex before..both dried my up, but nolv never as much as letro. As mentioned before, when used nolv on cycle muscle fullnes decreased, but not as much as the pump...it wasn't the same any more and that's what troubles me. Don't get me wrong, from what you say works for you and from your advice I would sure go for nolv on cycle, but my own experience tells me not to.

If nolv doesn't lower E, which it obviously doesn't, why the decreased pump when working out?? Damm, it sounds like if yor're gyno sensitive and use either nolv or adex on cycle, it won't be nearly as much effective as without the use of serm or ai.

[vinnie1938]

vinnie, are you any clearer on this now?

Hmm, to be honest, no :) No really, in terms of lean muscle gains it's hard to just walk away from eq, but if I take in account all + and -, I must say mast has my vote ;) Even though it's dht and mostly androgen (possible hair issues, aggression...), it's still way milder then tren, which I stay away from, especially at my 32 :) I must say it has my vote over eq. It seems like I'm going to try it out. Just hope after I use it, I'll be equally impressed :)

[vinnie1938]

So, my plan looks like:

test E 1-10week, 500mg/week
mast E 1-10week, 400mg/week
test P 11-13week, 100mg eod
adex 1-13week, 0.25mg eod (will go higher if needed)

PCT: clomid 14-18week, 100/50/50/25/25 (starting clomid 3days after last prop shot)

[Bouncer]

QV was an underground lab correct?

no, Mexi Vet company.