Tren log

[StanG]

interesting. i am on nolv now (only 10mgs) to prevent estro type gyno. you are saying that at first the nolv can be a problem with progesterone but after 2 weeks is helps?

correct. Initially it upregulates progesterone recptiors...but after 2 weeks it downregulates them from that point on- a good thing.

[ROCKETW19]

interesting. i am on nolv now (only 10mgs) to prevent estro type gyno. you are saying that at first the nolv can be a problem with progesterone but after 2 weeks is helps?

that is how i read it! I remember reading do not use nolva with tren but never read but after 2 weeks it is ok?
who knows i dont need nolva either so dont care,lol

[Bouncer]

Wait till you 2 hear this one..it goes against everything you hear. I would run nolva...and i would also manage estrogen with exemestane. Id start the nolva 2 weks pre cycle. Why ..well for 2 weeks nolva administration upregulates progesterone receptors. Thats why they say not to take it with a 19 nor. HOWEVER after 2 weeks of administration it downregulates progesterone receptors. I firmly believe you are both experiencing the effects of progesterone if you have the symptoms you say with e2 being manged. It will cause puffiness and sensitivity. The doenregulation of progesterone nolva will provide after the first 2 weeks may very well provide some relief for you both. HOWEVER you need to try to keep e2 in normal clinical range. You guys arent getting gyno...you are getting puffy nips and sensitivity - not fiberous tissue growth - thats gyno

interesting. i am on nolv now (only 10mgs) to prevent estro type gyno. you are saying that at first the nolv can be a problem with progesterone but after 2 weeks is helps?

[ROCKETW19]

So perhaps try my suggestion...or dont run tren. I firmly believe diff people have diff rsponses good and bad to diff compounds. Tren may not be for you.

I agree in the different reactions but I simply just lower my dose to under 300mgs and i am fine no need for anything.
I was just sharing my experance about estorgen and tren. I read all the studys that is why i tried it but it did not work for me the way the studys said. so with my own expermints i found that under 300mgs and no issues.

I also read all about B6 and tren,lol that was the funnest one yet
shit looks good on paper and may work for some but I perfer to test it myself

[StanG]

I used letro
and I can agree it might not have been gyno but the symptoms were there and I did not like it and wanted it gone asap. not worth the chance to me.

So perhaps try my suggestion...or dont run tren. I firmly believe diff people have diff rsponses good and bad to diff compounds. Tren may not be for you.

[ROCKETW19]

Wait till you 2 hear this one..it goes against everything you hear. I would run nolva...and i would also manage estrogen with exemestane. Id start the nolva 2 weks pre cycle. Why ..well for 2 weeks nolva administration upregulates progesterone receptors. Thats why they say not to take it with a 19 nor. HOWEVER after 2 weeks of administration it downregulates progesterone receptors. I firmly believe you are both experiencing the effects of progesterone if you have the symptoms you say with e2 being manged. It will cause puffiness and sensitivity. The doenregulation of progesterone nolva will provide after the first 2 weeks may very well provide some relief for you both. HOWEVER you need to try to keep e2 in normal clinical range. You guys arent getting gyno...you are getting puffy nips and sensitivity - not fiberous tissue growth - thats gyno

I used letro
and I can agree it might not have been gyno but the symptoms were there and I did not like it and wanted it gone asap. not worth the chance to me.

[StanG]

Wait till you 2 hear this one..it goes against everything you hear. I would run nolva...and i would also manage estrogen with exemestane. Id start the nolva 2 weks pre cycle. Why ..well for 2 weeks nolva administration upregulates progesterone receptors. Thats why they say not to take it with a 19 nor. HOWEVER after 2 weeks of administration it downregulates progesterone receptors. I firmly believe you are both experiencing the effects of progesterone if you have the symptoms you say with e2 being manged. It will cause puffiness and sensitivity. The doenregulation of progesterone nolva will provide after the first 2 weeks may very well provide some relief for you both. HOWEVER you need to try to keep e2 in normal clinical range. You guys arent getting gyno...you are getting puffy nips and sensitivity - not fiberous tissue growth - thats gyno

[ROCKETW19]

i used letro at 2.5mgs and killed all estrogen and still had puffy painful nips that felt like they were gonna drip milk. lol. did not go away until i stopped the tren.

telling you guys, thats a great theory and all but it does not work. dont care what anyone says.

same here we both have said it 5 hundred times killing estrogen did not help either of us!
I even got the no estrogen funk felt like shit dick didnt work ect.

I wanna say Rado did the same thing cuz I remember telling him his estro was gone when he told me about the way he felt.
aftre he fixed estro he was fine but it is a nasty feeling worse than nipps hurting thats for sure

[Bouncer]

I would try adex at .5 or .25 eod. the idea is lowering total estrogen is suppose to reduce the prolactin sides there correlated. i tried it and seemed to work for me...if your running GHRP or GH IGF makes things worse. I bought prami and caberline and never used it.

i used letro at 2.5mgs and killed all estrogen and still had puffy painful nips that felt like they were gonna drip milk. lol. did not go away until i stopped the tren.

telling you guys, thats a great theory and all but it does not work. dont care what anyone says.

[jack tors]

i think i was getting too eager to finnish up the tren i have left lol i dont like tren cough :disagree:

700! wow wtf were you thinking. 100 EoD max. but 50 should have been good enough.

[jack tors]

I would try adex at .5 or .25 eod. the idea is lowering total estrogen is suppose to reduce the prolactin sides there correlated. i tried it and seemed to work for me...if your running GHRP or GH IGF makes things worse. I bought prami and caberline and never used it.

[FastGainz]

yea 700 is just stupid. basically saying "hey tren give me some fucken sides!"

i think i was getting too eager to finnish up the tren i have left lol i dont like tren cough :disagree:

[FastGainz]

nolva and tamoxfin are same thing and neither will help you with tren.
look into stuff called caber. that is not complete spelling but I dont know how to spell it lol. it will stop sides from tren. BUT I would not take it just so I could run 700mgs tren thats nuts. I cant even see a need for that much fuckin 300 works wonders 700 cant be that much better. specialy not for the hell you put your body threw.

i guess ur right bro maybe ill jus stick with the 400mgs im still seeing good results from that n ye tamox is the same as nolva im jus usin that for test sides cos im running prop too and im quite prone to estro sides as for the caber i looked on rui n they only have prami caber was my first choice but cant get my hands on it i was gonna order adex and liquid tamox for my pct and run it along with low dose prami for prolactin sides

[Bouncer]

yea 700 is just stupid. basically saying "hey tren give me some fucken sides!"

[ROCKETW19]

im srsly stumped on what i should do for pct on my cycle now lol all the ai's and serms seem to have harsh sides an ive finished all my nolva lol was poppin em like candy when i got puffy nips might look into liquid tamoxifen for pct with aromasin is that a wise choice while on the tren?

nolva and tamoxfin are same thing and neither will help you with tren.
look into stuff called caber. that is not complete spelling but I dont know how to spell it lol. it will stop sides from tren. BUT I would not take it just so I could run 700mgs tren thats nuts. I cant even see a need for that much fuckin 300 works wonders 700 cant be that much better. specialy not for the hell you put your body threw.