Cycle 2013

[Bouncer]

you dont need to combine the sust and test in in month 3.

simply kick off your test cycle with sust for 1 month and then switch over to test E. since that will save you some test, i would start the sust in month 2.

I would also run the test a month after you come off the tren because it will shut you down hard and you will crash if not.

[Bouncer]

dont start the nolv until 2 weeks after your last shot of test. run it at 40mg for the first month after that, then 20mg for the second mond. you will be shut down hard from the tren and will need the nolv to bring you back.

[Bouncer]

Got it! what about the gh and igf combo? good or waste? and how should I pin it? like how many times a day and what time in the day each one would be better?

Cant tell you if it will be a waste or not because I have never used together.

I like to space out the gh shots. 2iu in morning, 2iu around 5-6 pm

[Bouncer]

not sure if can be combined or not. ask rocket.

[TC63]

I had that in mind already for the gh...now where do i plug the igf? Can they be combined in one needle?

Why would you combine it if you told me you will be shooting igf IM?

[ROCKETW19]

Rooooockkkeeeeetttttttt whereeee areee youuu?? Lmaaoo :rofl:

Nope run the IGF at the end not the start of cycle. shoot GH in AM right when you wake and asuming you work out in after noon take IGF after you work out then the last GH shot later in night.
You will love the IGF with GH again asuming the IGF is real.

I agree with B on waiting at least 2 weeks after last shot for PCT but I perfer 3 weeks as I have had blood takin at 2 weeks and was still to high.

I would also think about running test at least 2 weeks past tren. that shit is hard core and you need to somewhat recover from it before even tinking about PCT (personaly I would use HCG)

[ROCKETW19]

Why would you combine it if you told me you will be shooting igf IM?

shooting IGF IM or Sub Q makes no difference in how it works but I loved to shoot IM in the muscle trained after workout. Its all in my head but I liked it beter that way and sometimes thats all it takes PLACEBO baby. lol

[TC63]

shooting IGF IM or Sub Q makes no difference in how it works but I loved to shoot IM in the muscle trained after workout. Its all in my head but I liked it beter that way and sometimes thats all it takes PLACEBO baby. lol

But Rocket, there is some localized effect, even though it's minimal. The first receptors to get it would be from where you applied, and it would then move on systematic. Little difference though.

[ROCKETW19]

month 1 > 4 iu rip ed
Month2 > 4 iu rip ed + sustanon 450 mg week + clen (last 15 days of the month)
month 3 > 4 iu rip ed + test enan 450 mg week + parabolan 200 mg week
month 4 > 4 iu rip ed + test enan 450 mg week + tren enan 200 mg week
month 5 > 4iu rip ed + test enan 450 mg week
month 6 > 4 iu rip ed +igf lr3 + nolva 40 mg ed week 1 and 2, 30 mg ed week 3 and 20 mg ed week 4.*

Is it better? (Added clen on month 2 and moved igf to month 6

I like it!

[ROCKETW19]

But Rocket, there is some localized effect, even though it's minimal. The first receptors to get it would be from where you applied, and it would then move on systematic. Little difference though.

what is minimal? I have read many studys saying it makes no difference with receptors. I still do IM though

[TC63]

what is minimal? I have read many studys saying it makes no difference with receptors. I still do IM though

Can't remember off the top of my head, I'll see if I can find it later. I think I remember it was datBtrue studies.

[ROCKETW19]

Can't remember off the top of my head, I'll see if I can find it later. I think I remember it was datBtrue studies.

ya his first studys said that IM was better for the receptors but i do belive he changed his tune.

honestly his theroys seem to be just that theroys
saying this i dont follow anything he says or writes in may years seemed like a witch doctor he went around posting this no it all stuff on every board know to man kind. I belive here also Bouncer called him on the know it all and banned him. at least I belive it was him?

[ROCKETW19]

nope wasmt Dat I looked it up. but it was someone that came along got banned and I remember they started their own board right after.
fuck I am old i cant remember shit sorry

[TC63]

I really don't know Rocket, wasn't here long enough to remember that.
Anyways, I'm injecting sub-q and it seems to be working just fine. You may be right on the money when it comes to that guy, they may just be theories afterall.

[TC63]

Looking good bro!! Keep updating it!