Is coming off best for the body?

[Bouncer]

I think you guys know I am not some reckless idiot. I take very good care of myself. I have never gone anywhere near what most would consider "high doses". The current 600mgs per week test is the highest I have gone. I have no intention on ever running orals again. I also have no intention on running drugs I consider to be dangerous.

I really dont see how it makes me ignorant, stupid, or young minded to have no interest in living to a "ripe old age".

If you guys think taking 2 months off does anything more then running your fucken hormones into the dirt then I dont know what to say.

Show me proof that running test for long periods puts you more at risk for liver or kidney failure.

[AllDay]

I like where this thread has gone. I'm same age as Bounce but I have same views on life as Rocket. Even though I don't have kids I want to grow old with my wife and always be here for her. My religious views also factor in to my views on life as I am very thankful to my Lord and savior Jesus Christ but this is an entirely different can of worms, just saying it factors in. However, in saying that I love working out and want to be the best I can be which is why I started aas.

So, how often should you get your blood values checked? I've already decided I'm going to donate blood every 56 days while I'm on.

[AllDay]

I think you guys know I am not some reckless idiot. I take very good care of myself. I have never gone anywhere near what most would consider "high doses". The current 600mgs per week test is the highest I have gone. I have no intention on ever running orals again. I also have no intention on running drugs I consider to be dangerous.

I really dont see how it makes me ignorant, stupid, or young minded to have no interest in living to a "ripe old age".

If you guys think taking 2 months off does anything more then running your fucken hormones into the dirt then I dont know what to say.

Show me proof that running test for long periods puts you more at risk for liver or kidney failure.

I've seen studies and have not seen where long term test use hurts liver or kidneys but the heart is another story. Many studies are inconclusive yet some show evidence that long term use thickens/hardens the arteries which can lead to heart disease/failure. Can anyone back this statement?

[ROCKETW19]

I think you guys know I am not some reckless idiot. I take very good care of myself. I have never gone anywhere near what most would consider "high doses". The current 600mgs per week test is the highest I have gone. I have no intention on ever running orals again. I also have no intention on running drugs I consider to be dangerous.

I really dont see how it makes me ignorant, stupid, or young minded to have no interest in living to a "ripe old age".

If you guys think taking 2 months off does anything more then running your fucken hormones into the dirt then I dont know what to say.

Show me proof that running test for long periods puts you more at risk for liver or kidney failure.

I am not saying young minded for your drug use i am saying young mind for you saying you want to die the way you said. thats your imaturaty talking and as you get older you will change your views. that I would bet a million bucks on.

since you brought up the drug use I will say i do not think you are the safest but def not wreckless either. when was last time you had full blood work while on gear? that will tell your story not how you feel.

[ROCKETW19]

I've seen studies and have not seen where long term test use hurts liver or kidneys but the heart is another story. Many studies are inconclusive yet some show evidence that long term use thickens/hardens the arteries which can lead to heart disease/failure. Can anyone back this statement?

ya we all read that stuf but im sure there are 10 more studys saying exact opposite,lol
honestly now that I am older I wont use oral drugs and I will drop down to 150mgs per week at least 6 of the 12 months. the other 6 prob do 450 test and 200 tren. not even sure how many years I will use the tren? might switch to primo or something like it.

[Bouncer]

I am not saying young minded for your drug use i am saying young mind for you saying you want to die the way you said.

when was last time you had full blood work while on gear? that will tell your story not how you feel.

I have no intention on dying anytime soon. If my steroid use means I die at 60 instead of 80 then so be it. I stand by that.

Haven't had blood work in years. Guess that tells my story..

[ROCKETW19]

I have no intention on dying anytime soon. If my steroid use means I die at 60 instead of 80 then so be it. I stand by that.

Haven't had blood work in years. Guess that tells my story..

dont get defensive fucker.

question though... If you were gonna die tomorrow if you every took another drug again would you take the drug anyways or stop and live life as a normal person?
drug only you can still lift and eat what ever just no drugs

[jack tors]

for me after several months the test is much less effective. I need more to get the same results but then again in didnt just do TRT dosages.

[Alina]

I have no intention on dying anytime soon. If my steroid use means I die at 60 instead of 80 then so be it. I stand by that.

Haven't had blood work in years. Guess that tells my story..

:eww:

[Bouncer]

dont get defensive fucker.

question though... If you were gonna die tomorrow if you every took another drug again would you take the drug anyways or stop and live life as a normal person?
drug only you can still lift and eat what ever just no drugs

Tomorrow I would still be young so that makes it a harder question to answer. I would choose life. Though, a life of blending into the crowd would probably not be a happy one.

These drugs don't just change me physically, they give me a confidence and personality that people pick up on and gravitate towards. Taking that away from me would feel like death anyway.

[BEAST]

These drugs don't just change me physically, they give me a confidence and personality that people pick up on and gravitate towards. Taking that away from me would feel like death anyway.

Fucking addict. :slap:

Seriously though we all know that you can't be injecting yourself for the next 30-40 years none stop. You like it or not you gonna have to come off and give the injection sites and your receptors much needed break.

You can argue until blue in the face but facts are facts. You can cry about your messed up hormone levels and shrink for a little while.

Oh did I say fucking addict? and an abuser. :ninja: :grin:

[Bouncer]

Fucking addict. :slap:

Seriously though we all know that you can't be injecting yourself for the next 30-40 years none stop. You like it or not you gonna have to come off and give the injection sites and your receptors much needed break.

You can argue until blue in the face but facts are facts. You can cry about your messed up hormone levels and shrink for a little while.

Oh did I say fucking addict? and an abuser. :ninja: :grin:

I am absolutely an addict. Not arguing, just being honest.

I inject once per week so injection sites and scar tissue is not much of a problem. Delts, quads, glutes. 6 week gap between injecting any particular spot.

I don't buy into "receptors needing a break". While it's true that gains slow down after a certain point, it doesn't mean the AAS have stopped working. This is painfully clear when you come off and see just how much it was doing for you.

[ROCKETW19]

I don't buy into "receptors needing a break". While it's true that gains slow down after a certain point, it doesn't mean the AAS have stopped working. This is painfully clear when you come off and see just how much it was doing for you.

ya not to sure I belive that either.
I do belive your body will need a break though.
are you gonna do TRT in winter like 100 or 150 mgs? I know you dont want to come off and i do not blame you last year when I did it was fucking stupid how I felt. I will nevercome off but i will always stay around the 150mgs range then blast 450 in summer or when feeling like it.

GH also i am gonna try and keep that forever also taking 3 month break every year and only running 2 or 2.5 ius no more 4 or 6 ius for me

[Muscleonmetal]

Not ever coming off you run the risk of completely shutting down your natural test production so unless you don't want kids and are sure you will have an endless supply you deff should. My advise though if you are not going to come off get yourself some HCG and run it with your cycle. Personally I love coming off and watching the water weight wash away I look really cut during my PCT although right now I'm trying out Arimidex for the first time to combat the bloat.

[ROCKETW19]

Not ever coming off you run the risk of completely shutting down your natural test production so unless you don't want kids and are sure you will have an endless supply you deff should. My advise though if you are not going to come off get yourself some HCG and run it with your cycle. Personally I love coming off and watching the water weight wash away I look really cut during my PCT although right now I'm trying out Arimidex for the first time to combat the bloat.

ya he is anti kids and we try and try and tell him about HCG he is just stubborn like that.