cycle question

[IAMHUGE]

I have been on a year long cycle running TEST with differnt stuff like EQ, ANADROL, TREN, etc. I am on QV PROP and BOLD (EQ) eod and DENKALL ANADROL 75mg ed right now. I am about to start some QV DECCA 300 @ 600 per week and reforvit D-BOL 25-50mg ed. Do I have to run test with it, or will I be ok with out it? I have not taken a break off test in a year. I was thinking of putting some CLOMID in and comming off the TEST for a while and just runing the DECCA, D-BOL combo.

PS. This was my first cycle. I started December 1st of last year. I have made great gains, but my hair has thined a lot and my skin has payed the price too.......I guess it goes w/ the teratory.

Any thoughts would be apreciated. I have learned a lot from this board, glad to be here


THANX

[mcbvr6]

clomid won't do you any good while you are still taking d-bol and deca.

[Doom]

First thing I must ask, why so long first time? What kind of gains have you seen thus far? What doses of each have you used, and for what duration, especially the drol, if you are looking to switch to dbol...anything over 8-10 weeks on 17-AA's, is overkill, and the liver becomes more efficient in breaking it down, making its effects less subtle on the body.

I would get your hands on some HCG, immediatly and start using it at 500-1000iu ed, for no less than 10 days, youve been surpressed naturally way too long. Deca will shut most down, so 9 out of 10 will tell ya test is necessary

And my own opinion, just come off for a while

[IAMHUGE]

I started out w/ sustanon for 16 weeks at 500 a week. I have jumped around a lot, but I have been running differnt TEST's @ between 400 and 1200 a week. I have used cyp, ent, prop, sust. switching them about every 10-12 weeks. I have stacked with: tren, eq, primo etc. I keep my dose pretty low for the most part. I am on prop and eq right now eod. so thats 400 test and 800 eq. I have gone through 3 bottles of each so far and was gonna switch to the decca and d-bol. this is the seccond time I have been on anadrol. right now I am on 75mg ed, but i took .5 tabs for a while. maybe like 8 weeks on the drol.

I have been thinking off comming off very seriously, but thought I would run this last cycle first.

I dont have all the answers I just want to get big.

My trainer partner who is a top NPC competitor reccomended 1 year for my first cycle.

I feel ok, I just wanna grow.

[mcbvr6]

"I dont have all the answers I just want to get big."

Although it wouldn't make a bad signature, it is a little disturbing in your case. You are asking questions that someone who has been on for a year should know the answers to. When you finally get ready to come off, you are going to need to hit the HCG pretty hard. I would actually start addding it in every few weeks now to start reversing the atrophy.

As for your other questions, you might be fine with a deca dbol only stack, but you might be like one of the many people who lose their libido. You have been on test for a long time, and you are going to drop down to nothing. It's your call, but I would stay on test (even at low doses) until you are ready to come off all the way.

[IAMHUGE]

When u say Decca will shut most down, What does that mean?

my gains have been good. I went from 160 to 235, and i have increased my 10 rep weight 100%. Meaning I could get 135 for ten on the flat, now I can get 275 for ten. Or for shoulders I could only get the 40's for ten, now I can get the 120's for ten..huge increase.

I just don't want to shrink up and get weak when I come off. I am afraid.

[IAMHUGE]

I dont want to run the decca dbol if u all say it is not gonna work cause I have been on drol. Will it work. I have 500 25mg tabs, so I have enough to up the dose if that would help.

[mcbvr6]

It means they have trouble recovering and lose a higher percentage of their gains because their body isn't producing enough test naturally to keep them.

You are going to lose some of it, how much depends on how well you prepare for coming off. You could stay on forever and never lose anything, but I wouldn't advise it. Just come off, do it right, see where you are, let your body recover, and then go back on.

[Doom]

I'll get into this a bit deeper later, but if your friend is an NPC competitor and thats what he advised you, hes an idiot...sorry but forst go around doesnt need to be a yr, and with so many different friggin things.

Your body needs to get used to the addition of test forst and foremost before you start adding everything under the sun here and there

And shutting down is the surpression of the bodys naturla production of testosterone, again if your friend didnt tell you any of this, he aint much of a friend

not bashing outright, but he should have guided you on every aspect if you took his word about starting and what to use

[IAMHUGE]

I know about natural test being shut down, Ii am pretty sure I am not producing any right now. But some one said something about being shut down from decca, that confused me.

I do trust my buddy. He is frigging huge and cut all year. I wont talk names ever, but he placed in the top 10 at the usa's and nat's in his class this year. His pro card is around the corner.

however, the reason I came to this board is for a good seccond opinion. because sometimes I do question him and his thoughts.

Just a little confused right now, and wanna make sure to do the right thing.

thank you for your help. I am willing to listen.

[mcbvr6]

It isn't just testosterone that shuts down your natural production. All of the derivatives of test will cause the same thing. Again, this is sort of "newbie" information that you should have already had before starting. I'm not trying to lecture you. It's just that you have put your body through a lot, without (it seems) really knowing what you are doing.

[the double M]

I am not going to even waste my time on this post. The lesson here to all newbies is that you have to do alot of research before getting yourself envolved. 'nuff said......

[Doom]

You havent been producing natural test for the yr that you have been on. Once you introduce a foreign matter into the body, the body will feed off of that, stopping all natural function, test, deca, fina, drol, eq...anything you have used has been a factor, any of those things on its own would have shut your natural test production down.

Youve put ur body through a lot, without using safety measures, or taking a break...maybe you should strongly consider coming off for a while, and you should definatly consider having a blood panel done to make sure things are semi ok.

You stop using, ur gonna loose gains, its that simple...how much of the gains you loose depends on how well you maintain urself without gear use, and rely on diet and training.

If you do plan on stoping, or even if you dont HCG is a must! 1000iu eod for 20 days, then begin using clomid, 100mgs ed for 21 days, and hope that ur natty levels rebound...you took a risk not knowing the pros and cons, now that we are helping, I would really advise you to listen, and not worry about how big you are, worry about the inside

[IAMHUGE]

Doom,

Thank you for all your help. Do you think I shouls come off now, or could I go, say ten more weeks with Deca and D-bol + a little, then come off w/ good pct?

[Doom]

Come off now, the longer you stay on, the more your hurting yourself. Be smart bro, dont let vanity destroy ur body from the inside out.

You will need a total of 10,000iu of HCG, it should be shot sub-q
after 20 days of using that on an every othe day basis, begin using clomid, I would also use some proviron to get ur sperm count up.

See and endocrinologist like GT said and be 100% HONEST, if you arent, there is no point in going, and there is nothing he can say, doc/patient confindentiality...have a complete blood panel done, liver values, cholesterol, test levels, anything and everything that they test for, have it done.

And bro, ask ur friend if he knows what PCT is, if he doesnt, brain him with a bat for being a moron, and having you follow an idiotic lead