cycle question

[space mountain]

doom thanks for helping this bro and i wonder if bouncer read this thread....especially the npc bodybuilder part?

[IAMHUGE]

Doom, I have 25 clomid, 25 nolavdex, and 50 provirion. Again I have been on prop and eq 1cc of each eod for 8 weeks + denkall anadrol 75. I took a half a tab for ten days, and have been on 75mg ed ever since.

Should I stop the test/eq right now? Or keep running a little test while beginning pct, u tell me.

I don't know how fast I can get HCG, can I live w/o it. or should I seek it out ASAP?

I am a neewbie, but I did not realize I was fuc@#$g up. I know lots of people who run test year round with little or no breaks.

Again thank you to all for your help. I will keep you updated.

[Doom]

Everyone makes mistakes bro, Im not trying to scare you, nor flame you, but trying to bring attention to the seriousness of misuse..in this case you took the advice of someone whom you felt knew what they were talking about, it happens...coming here was the smartest thing you could have done

End everything NOW, no more light doses, no more nothing. Youve been on for this long without massive sides or problems, even if it is a week inbetween the time youve stopped, and the time you begin to run the HCG, you'll be ok, but its necessary, in this case.

Run the HCG first, now its pure estrogen, you havent had any problems with gyno as of yet, but sometimes this can kick it right in, so the novla might need to be ran along with HCG. As I said above, 1000iu every other day for 20 days, then 100mgs of clomid for the next 21 days, you can run the proviron along with the clomid, 50mgs ed, till you run out...

In the meantime, I would still like for you to see a doctor and have the blood work done, I cant stress that enough, especially if you are young, you dont want problems now, or ever

Good luck, and keep asking questions if you still arent sure. A stupid question is one that isnt asked

[IAMHUGE]

Thanks Doom.

I am coming off right now.

I have been having blood work done once a month for the whole year. My liver values are raised across the board, but are below the danger zone. My tri g's are ok as well.

I will get some more clomid and 10,000 iu's of HCG asap.

How long should I take off. 10 weeks 16weeks, you tell me.

I will post my next cycle on this board before I run it.

I am 29 years old 6'1, and 235lbs 10% bf

Again thanks for your help

[sana]

Originally posted by IAMHUGE
Thanks Doom.

I am coming off right now.

I have been having blood work done once a month for the whole year. My liver values are raised across the board, but are below the danger zone. My tri g's are ok as well.

I will get some more clomid and 10,000 iu's of HCG asap.

How long should I take off. 10 weeks 16weeks, you tell me.

I will post my next cycle on this board before I run it.

I am 29 years old 6'1, and 235lbs 10% bf

Again thanks for your help

you should take off until you do not feel like you have to ask newbie questions.

you went into this endeavor with no knowledge of AAS and did not search out the answers for yourself. it seems as if even during your year long journey with AAS, you have not learned anymore about it than when you started. you should start from ground zero and do all the research and understand what chemicals you are putting into your body are.

you should take off until you have an understanding of how your body reacts not only to AAS but to changes in your training and your diet.

your choice to blindly listen to your friend is as bad of a choice as a woman blindly listening to men who tell them to do 250mg of Deca a week as a first cycle. why anyone who wouldn't want to know as much about substance that they are putting into their body as possible is beyond me. and to have spent the amount of money you have on gear is almost criminal with your seeming lack of understanding of training and gear.

also, i remember reading a few days ago where you posted a remark in Bdubb's post that "GH was uselss" and yet i see you post in another GH thread that you're on serostim at 4iu/day and that's the best. so let's go back, tell me why you think GH is uselss?

i also remember reading posts from you in the past that pertain to training which showed that you are clearly new to working out. not that there's any problem with that, but how do you know whether you are growing from gear or changes in your routine? or even changes in your diet?

i certainly hope that you weren't purchasing your stuff from your NPC "friend" (yes and i put that in quotes because i cannot believe anyone who would make that type of wack job recommendation to you could be a true friend) because if you were, greed would be the only reason i can possibly see that he would choose to recommend you going on a year long cycle.

[trip]

IAMHUGE,

Well, needless to say it has been a huge year for you, damn, from 160 to 235 is 75 lbs. and at 10% that is a nice combo.

Toughest thing you will have to deal with is the MENTAL ASPECT.

Be realistic, the world reacts differently to a 235 lb man vs. a 160 lb man, especially at 6'-1".

Very smart you got blood work done, IMHO, if you were tossing the two up would say, better to have a crappy cycle with blood work than a sweet cycle with never getting any blood work, so on that part you should be commended.

It is going to be a big mental adjustment coming off, your body was thriving on rocket fuel for the last year and you are going to feel the effects of changing back to unleaded, it is just a simple fact.

The hard part is the transition, that first month. During that first month the changes in FEELING are so pronounced because your old FEELINGS of superiority are still fresh in the mind.

Once you get past that, your old test will take over and after another month you will be back to normal, and then normal will become okay once again.

Life is a marathon, not a sprint, take your time enjoy, don't do things that are harmful, be smart.

Hoped That Helped
Good Luck

[LARGELI]

OMG bro you only get one body in this lifetime, you realy need to take care of it. Dont be in such a hurry.

you asked how long you should take off before going back on???
my question to you, is why do you make AAS such a high priority?

AAS is only the iceing on the cake, you really need to make training/diet your top means of reaching your goal and use AAS as a little something extra. Now im not saying that your diet and training arent good, but even if you have a perfect diet and perfect training for your goals it sounds like you are putting too much importance on the AAS aspect.

I personally would take close to a year off, and then maybe toy around with some shorter cycles, and get my body familiar to how it react to different substances, and then put together a few longer cycles based on what i have experienced. That is just my opinion. I know a lot of people stay on year round but they are very experienced for the most part, and this was probably not the best idea for a first cycle.

[IAMHUGE]

Doom,

My thoughts on G are mixed. Yes I used Serostim almost for the whole year. 1 kit per seven weeks. my jurry is still out on how it affectes me. so I did contradict myself a little bit. sometimes I wonder if it is really worth all that money.

What makes me grow, and get strong?

I did work out reg. before going on and never saw any real gains. But when I got on, I grew at a crazy rate. I can't even begin to tell u how much my body has changed. my neck went from 14.5 to 18.5. I bust out of most xl or even xxl shirts.

I work out at a gym which is dominated by bodybuilders who use aas, and everyone was shocked by the speed and quality of my gains. My body ate that stuff up, and so did my ego.

My source puts cycles together for most everyone at the gym, so I just trusted him. Everyone around me trusted him too. It is only after I started using the net for info on aas that I saw some conflicting advice and began posting questions and reading a lot.

My fear is twofold: that I wont make any gains naturally, and I will shrink up as fast as I got big.


I have begun my pct, and will live and learn.

Thank you very much to all who have helped me out. It is nice to know that there are people out there who care!!!!!!!

[canadagold]

Originally posted by IAMHUGE
Doom, I have 25 clomid, 25 nolavdex, and 50 provirion. Again I have been on prop and eq 1cc of each eod for 8 weeks + denkall anadrol 75. I took a half a tab for ten days, and have been on 75mg ed ever since.

Should I stop the test/eq right now? Or keep running a little test while beginning pct, u tell me.

I don't know how fast I can get HCG, can I live w/o it. or should I seek it out ASAP?

I am a neewbie, but I did not realize I was fuc@#$g up. I know lots of people who run test year round with little or no breaks.

Again thank you to all for your help. I will keep you updated.

I have been reading this whole thread and I just want to say that I know a few pros, a few national level competitors and a lot of huge gym rats that never compete and one thing a lot of them have in common is that THEY DON"T KNOW SHIT when it comes to taking gear. Most don't come off ever or if they do it is not long enough. . .JUST BECAUSE A GUY IS PRO OR ALMOST THERE DOES NOT MEAN HE KNOWS ANYTHING!
PLease listen to what the others here are telling you and stop the gas and take some time off to get your blood tests done and let your body normalise. . .
Also, please tell me you get your gear yourself and that this NPC competitor is not supplying you. .if he is then I am not surprised that he told you to take stuff for a year straight; so many bodybuilders are leaches that will do whatever they can to get money and supplies for free from others to get where they are going. I have NEVER heard of anyone telling someone else to do anything like a one year cycle before; and I have been around aas and bodybuilding for a long time!
Keep us posted bro, we are here to help!
Canadagold

[canadagold]

I just read sana's comment after posting mine. . .we both thought the same thing. . .man, that guy is a real prick if he is the one supplying you. . .
:(

[Doom]

The serostim is why your reviews are mixed, in comaparison to other GH on the market, its pure shit. In theory its to be used to surpress the "rotting" of the immune system, with disorders like HIV, a dose for them is 18iu a day...and that barely keeps them going...if you were just using the water that came with the kits, another reason why you might not have seen what you wanted, as the water only hold the GH stable for 24 hrs.

Like CG said, most pros dont really know a damn thing, they have doctors and real gurus map out there cycles based on their genetic dispostions, and majority of the growth youre gonna see with them is from the genetics they have, not the gallon of test people think they pump in themselves. Pro BBing is the one sport that you have to do whatever is necessary to remain in the game, and for many that means being deceptive, being a dealer, whoring themselves(yes to other men), unless you are independantly wealthy, or have a spectacular job, and ur trying to make it in the game, you will use anything and everything without weighing the risks, and even if you get to a certain point, the percentage that will actually make headlines and receieve the big contracts and money is very very small...so what has been accomplished, nothing!

Steroid use, is to enhance the mind, body and spirit, very rarely do we find people here using for true medical reasons, we are all guilty of vanity, and looking good, is what matters most.

I know in your mind, you're terrified of whats gonna happen when you come off, I will tell you, you WILL loose weight, size and strength, but again Ive said this several times in this post alone, what you keep post cycle is a combo of your dedication without chemical enhancement, proper diet, and supplementation, and training. You might not have seen proper gains for a number of reasons, diet, routine, frequency, anything could have been a factor...anyone can also pump test into them and grow, it doesnt mean anything.

Working out in a gym full of juice bags, who doesnt?...Im surrounded by 18 yr old morons who swallow 80 dbols before they walk in and spend half their time trying to rep out one max lifts while barely bending their elbows, and then flex for a half hr after that..I laugh at this..this has nothing to do with the sport, this is arrogance at its purest form, and this is your problem as well...Im not saying you fit in the mold of the meatballs I see..your just too damn worrried about how you look to others, bro if you cant like what you see in the mirror, how the fuck are ya ever gonna be happy...dont please the masses, please urself.

Im gald that you have taken the time to listen to everyone here and I hope you continue to do so, there is a very very knowledgeable amount of bros here that are willing to help guide you on every aspect, take advantage of this.

And finally, as Sana said, dont go back on until you know what you want to use and why you want to use, not because your buddy told you so...you want my opinion on how long you should stay off, its the same as Sanas, and if you want a time frame, at least 3 months or more. At 30 the body reaches full muscle maturity, get a regimine, diet and rountine down, and I gaurentee you will see increases without drugs, then when you have learned start again.

Best of luck to you...Doom

[IAMHUGE]

Great stuff guys. Very inspirational and genuine.

Thanks for the help

Glad to be here

will keep you all posted

Thank you very very much!!!!!!!!!!

[the double M]

no problem. anytime

[quez82]

I was on the similar boat as you are ...I went on for a while i wont say how long ...right when i came off i felt the happiest...but when i came off..i used my anti-depressants..I didnt go into depression obviously..but i must say i believe it helped me out more then you know..if you could get your hands on some prozac...or even zoloft..I personally would say it would be to great benefit...

[canadagold]

Originally posted by quez82
I was on the similar boat as you are ...I went on for a while i wont say how long ...right when i came off i felt the happiest...but when i came off..i used my anti-depressants..I didnt go into depression obviously..but i must say i believe it helped me out more then you know..if you could get your hands on some prozac...or even zoloft..I personally would say it would be to great benefit...

While I am glad that you think it helped you out a great deal, I don't believe that it is a good idea to take anything unless you absolutely have to. If he does get depressed after he comes off, and can't handle it, then it would be ok to go and ask the doc for some meds; but taking them just as a precaution is just asking to be dependant on something that has the potential to mess you up when you stop them as well.