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[Bouncer]

Originally posted by golilla
Ozzie is not around to blame or some other evil that compelled the kid to take his life. The parents are always blameless of course they are always great loving and nourturing. Even ones that allow their children to use drugs. There is always an external cause for everything no one takes responsibility for their own actions. I knew of more than one bright promising high schooler who committed suicide steroids, rock, rap, video games, or TV programing could not be blamed. How many millions of felons feel that society is to blame for their misguided lives. When will people take responsibility for their actions. The kid commited suicide because he wanted to. Sure giving an unstable 17 year old steroids I am sure did not help (parents knowing about it is as good as injecting it for him) how many 17 year olds have the patience and commitment to research how to use these drugs responsibly. I am tired of listening to all the conjured evils and scapegoats of the world and the excuses for bad behavior. Just shut the fuck up and say yes we fucked up and yes our son was fucked up as well.

couldnt have said it better myself.

[prolangtum]

Just to note, I live very close to Plano.

I never even heard about this story. That being said, I regulary use steroids, and regulary come off of steroids. I am also clinically depressed. I was diagnosed with this before I ever started a cycle. If post cycle depression real? Yes. Is it so bad you decide to commit suicide? No. Obviously he had some deeper rooted issues. My father commited suicide when I was 12. My sister died in a car wreck 2 years ago. So I have issues too. But Im not that weak minded, I won't take my life. Your son obviously had a chemical imbalance before the first steroid entered his body. Steroids probaly did make it worse. But other factors drove him to suicide. There had to be warning signs before this. Before steroids. Not trying to be insensitive, but they were overlooked by the people closet to him, his parents. Its not all the steroids fault, its not all his fault, nor your fault, it is a combination of things. I can see why he was mentally weak, he inherited it from his parents, you must find a scapegoat to blame his suicide, you should have been able to recognize his depression pre steroids.

[JUICE]

Originally posted by prolangtum
Your son obviously had a chemical imbalance before the first steroid entered his body. Steroids probaly did make it worse. But other factors drove him to suicide. There had to be warning signs before this. Before steroids. Not trying to be insensitive, but they were overlooked by the people closet to him, his parents. Its not all the steroids fault, its not all his fault, nor your fault, it is a combination of things. I can see why he was mentally weak, he inherited it from his parents, you must find a scapegoat to blame his suicide, you should have been able to recognize his depression pre steroids.

very true:agree:

[Bdubb]

I've been reading this post and don't really know what to say... I would like to be able to sit down with the father and discuss some of these things in order to get a better idea of where everything is coming from. I am not a Dr. or anyone that claims to be the best imformed individual on this subject. I am however fairly close to his son's age, familiar with the Plano area and the significance of sports in some of the high schools in the community, as well as my old highschool, which we played Plano almost ritually in the Texas Football playoffs. I have fought against times of depression, use of AAS, abuse of rec. drugs, wanting to take my own life, many things; and with the help of those around me I can sit here typing with a better understanding of myself, and of those situations I confronted myself, better than a vast majority of the people of our nation's society who have only been taught about it.

You can learn a tremendous amount of things from a book, but often times it takes the hard way to get an actual understanding of things. I think that is something anyone reading this can look back on and realize what they know and understand now because they themselves have experienced it.

[Lmg2701]

Originally posted by Doom
If this is the case, why did I just look through all post you have made and you are looking for better ways to optimize your cycle?

If you truly feel they are that deadly, then why are using them?

Look I didnt say this in public, but since we are on the end of the stick that will be dipped in shit I will say it now.

Anyone who was involved in that boys life, is a part of his death. Steroids have the bad name, and they needed something to point the finger at, and here we are.

Teens dont use roids for enhancement purposes, its for vanity's sake 99% of the time, and time and time again I will bring this up, and no one will debate these factors:
What were his social factors out side of school?
What were his friends like?
Did he have any type of relationship problems?
He played athletics, what was the coach and teammates like?
His family life?
MOST important, he was in counseling for depression and relating issues, any half assed psychotherapist, or counselor who is a professional in this particluar area should have alerted the parents of these possible dangers, or at least could have seen some signs that his condition was turning for the worst. No one did, and this is the end result.

Gotta put the blame where the blame will stick, most people dont want to believe that they made an error and over looked something, which is sadly the case here.

Do I sound like a broken record, repeating the same thing, yes I do, but, just like you people want answers, I wanna know why such a well rounded kid, with no problems felt he needed such a thing in his life?

Great Post, I agree.

Originally posted by golilla
Ozzie is not around to blame or some other evil that compelled the kid to take his life. The parents are always blameless of course they are always great loving and nourturing. Even ones that allow their children to use drugs. There is always an external cause for everything no one takes responsibility for their own actions. I knew of more than one bright promising high schooler who committed suicide steroids, rock, rap, video games, or TV programing could not be blamed. How many millions of felons feel that society is to blame for their misguided lives. When will people take responsibility for their actions. The kid commited suicide because he wanted to. Sure giving an unstable 17 year old steroids I am sure did not help (parents knowing about it is as good as injecting it for him) how many 17 year olds have the patience and commitment to research how to use these drugs responsibly. I am tired of listening to all the conjured evils and scapegoats of the world and the excuses for bad behavior. Just shut the fuck up and say yes we fucked up and yes our son was fucked up as well.

A little harsh, but I agree again.
I'm very sorry for this death, but I think pretty much everything has been covered in this post so I will leave it at that.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain603502.shtml


This aired on 60 Minutes last night. Its is amazing how parents always look to place blame elsewhere when something happens to their child. An example is the Columbine tragedy. The only people to blame for the massacre are the two killers that are dead (Kliebold & Harris). When the grieving parents could not satisfy their anger that way, or find an outlet they used the police as a scapegoat. I am no fan of police, but the officers that went into that building entered without hesitation in an attempt to save their children and that was the thanks they got. They also attempted to blame guns for their children's death. I'm sorry, but inanimate objects do not kill.The parents of this poor boy need to realize that their son is the only one to blame for the terrible thing that happened to him. Here is the letter I sent to 60 Minutes to voice my opinion on the subject. I am tired of steroids being demonized by misinformed people that have no factual information to back up their comments.
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I am commmenting on your show that aired last night called, "The Kid Next Door." Although I realize you must attempt to sensationalize your stories to obtain the largest viewing audience possible, I see no reason to make up fallacies to sell a load of bull to the public. Although tragic, the suicide of Taylor Hooton is his own fault! Its time we stop pointing the finger and attempting to place the blame or our inadequecies elsewhere. He died because he had a mental imbalance, or was on some other type of drugs besides steroids. Anabolic steroids do not give people thoughts of suicide. In fact, many doctors currently prescribe steroids for depression. My father is one of those people. He was diagnosed with mental depression and anxiety. His doctor gave him shots of testosterone, and he pulled out of this terrible mental state. Yes, steroids saved my father's life! They have saved many others as well. Any substance can be abused, but to out and out report lies regarding steroids is unethical journalism! Why don't you start reporting on how many people have been saved due to steroids? How many AIDS patients rely on steroids to maintain muscle size and live longer? How many men that were previously diagnosed as impotent are now sexually active due to testosterone injections? How many millions of people that are currently taking anabolic steroids and are living healthy, productive lives? Everyone knows steroids were made a controlled substance due to dirty politics. Instead of admitting that they made a mistake, the government continues to try and cover up what they have done by stacking more and more lies onto the subject of steroids. In a free country, I would hope for an unbiased media that would be willing to expose this corruption of justice! My prayers go out to the Hooton family, but just because their son killed himself, there is no reason to make others lose their lives, or at least the quality of it for his mistakes.
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Anyone wishing to send their commments to 60 Minutes regarding this journalism, please e-mail them at: [email protected]

Until we start turning up the heat and voicing our opinions to these media outlets, they will continue to spew this brainwashing propoganda to the ignorant public!

[Silverback316]

Ok I have had enough of this fucking bullshit. Hoot your son was a fucking loser and that is the bottom line. He took his own life because he was mentally weak and could not survive in this world. Steroids are not to blame, HE IS! Why don't you take a cycle of what your son did and than see for yourself that you will feel just fine afterwards. The purpose of life is not to stay the same, it is to move forward and improve. Steroids help us move forward and become better so how is that a bad thing?Go back and coach some little league team and fucking preach to them because your bullshit is not welcomed here!

[Stonecold54]

wow this is an old thread. I wish I had seen the 60 minutes story.

[bigkid]

to be put simply, we will never understand clinical depression or how the brain functions. until we figure out how to read people's minds it will be a mystery

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Originally posted by bigkid
to be put simply, we will never understand clinical depression or how the brain functions. until we figure out how to read people's minds it will be a mystery

I agree, but if steroids were honestly to blame, I dont think just one kid that took them would be dead. Millions would be dropping like flies all over the world, and that just isnt so.

[Kiss]

Originally posted by hootond
When all is said and done, I choose to rely on a large (and growing) number of medical professionals who have fully examined Taylor's situation and have concluded that steroids were a PRIMARY contributor to Taylor's state of mind at the time he took his life, rather than listen to the speculation of a number of steroid users who are not familiar with the totality of the circumstances surrounding my son's death.

Personal responsibility in this country is for suckers. It's always someone or something else's fault.

Ephedra is banned because of a few deaths (that it may not have even caused) but smoking is perfectly legal.

Give me a break, steroids do not make people kill themselves. If they did bodybuilders would be commiting suicide all the time.

This is the kind of BS that is the begining of most witch hunts.

[tee]

CBS changed the link to the story. Here is the new one if anyone wanted it. If they change it again, just click their search box and type in The Kid Next Door.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in603502.shtml

[bigkid]

what a bunch of BS.....the coach should be held responsible not steroid use.