Gyno

[Chadd77]

I’ve always been extremely sensitive to gyno. I haven’t been able to run a cycle without getting it. I only get it on my right side for whatever reason. I always get a small lump that is sensitive. You can’t notice it unless I lift my arm straight up in the air, then I can feel it. Last year I ran 250mg a week of test and .5mg adex eod. This didn’t seem to help. About a month into my cycle it started to form. As soon as I stop my cycle it will go completely away about a week or two after I finish my pct.

I just started another cycle which is 250mg of test & 150mg of deca per week. I’m running adex at .4mg ed. I can already feel my right side getting sensitive. Any suggestions? I haven’t tried letro before or should I try upping my adex even more? It sucks how sensitive I am.

One thing to add is that it doesn't seem to matter what compound I'm running or if it's at high or a low dose. Same symptoms and always goes away when I stop.

[jack tors]

I would look at using different compound instead of deca. Not really worth all that headache. Maybe Mast? Dry you out during the cycle.

Letro is pretty powerful it almost works too well my joints end up hurting. Its harder to control estrogen rebound. It almost sounds like you need caberline for progesterone sides.

[Bouncer]

Chadd I've always been just like you bro. Gyno always popped up. Especially on progestin drugs like deca and tren. That is until I found the right adex dose. I am now in the camp that says if estro levels are controlled perfectly then progestin type gyno can't form.

You need to experiment and see what works for you. In my case using adex EOD never worked. I need to run it ED @ .6mgs on my current cycle of 650mgs test and 220mgs deca per week.

Bump up the adex by .1 each week until you find your dose. It will work I promise you. You may need to be at a dose of something like .8 ED or even higher. There will be a dose that allows you to run your cycle gyno free I guarantee it.

Your much better off using a high dose of adex compared to a low dose of letro. I'm on .6mg adex and feel great. On even the lowest dose of letro I feel 97 years old and close to death. Stay away from letro unless it's for gyno removal.

[Chadd77]

I would look at using different compound instead of deca. Not really worth all that headache. Maybe Mast? Dry you out during the cycle.

Letro is pretty powerful it almost works too well my joints end up hurting. Its harder to control estrogen rebound. It almost sounds like you need caberline for progesterone sides.

The compounds has never mattered. When I competed I would run high doses of test/tren/winny and my gyno would be the same as if would have ran 250mg a week of test. Would always go away as soon as I stopped.

[Chadd77]

Chadd I've always been just like you bro. Gyno always popped up. Especially on progestin drugs like deca and tren. That is until I found the right adex dose. I am now in the camp that says if estro levels are controlled perfectly then progestin type gyno can't form.

You need to experiment and see what works for you. In my case using adex EOD never worked. I need to run it ED @ .6mgs on my current cycle of 650mgs test and 220mgs deca per week.

Bump up the adex by .1 each week until you find your dose. It will work I promise you. You may need to be at a dose of something like .8 ED or even higher. There will be a dose that allows you to run your cycle gyno free I guarantee it.

Your much better off using a high dose of adex compared to a low dose of letro. I'm on .6mg adex and feel great. On even the lowest dose of letro I feel 97 years old and close to death. Stay away from letro unless it's for gyno removal.

I know you have always been sensitive to it too. Guess I'll bum up to 6mg a day and see if that works and then adjust accordingly. Thanks B!

[MattG]

You ever tried exemestane aka aromasin Chadd? Adex doesn't work for me either. After reading up on exemestane and how it's a suicidal ai (meaning it actually destroys estrogen, not just block or lower it) I decided to try it and it works very well. I still can't run stronger compounds like tren or dbol but it keeps me covered for test, mast, eq, var, tbol, low dose drol...I run it 25mg a day unless I'm cruising on low test, then use half that

[Bouncer]

You will know you hit the right adex dose because surprisingly your sex drive will sky rocket.

sex drive isn't just about high test levels. if you have high test but your estrogen level is also high your sex drive will be average at best. but when you find that right ratio of test level to estro level without crashing estro, your sex drive will feel like your 16 again.

[Bouncer]

You ever tried exemestane aka aromasin Chadd? Adex doesn't work for me either. After reading up on exemestane and how it's a suicidal ai (meaning it actually destroys estrogen, not just block or lower it) I decided to try it and it works very well. I still can't run stronger compounds like tren or dbol but it keeps me covered for test, mast, eq, var, tbol, low dose drol...I run it 25mg a day unless I'm cruising on low test, then use half that

Can you truly say you have experimented with Adex and exhausted every option? Did you slowly bump the dose up week to week and give it time to work? What dose did you get up to before you stopped?

[MattG]

Can you truly say you have experimented with Adex and exhausted every option? Did you slowly bump the dose up week to week and give it time to work? What dose did you get up to before you stopped?

Well on test only I was using Adex (RUI) at .5mg ed and it wasn't enough. Once lumps formed I dropped my cycle and fixed the issue with letro. Second time I ran it at 1mg ed...forget what I was running but still started having nip issues so I switched Adex out for exemestane and all was good. At that point I didn't see any point in trying adex ever again since I found something else that worked great for me.

[Bouncer]

Ok, if you were running Adex @ 1mg ED and still got gyno I'd say you exhausted all options. Damn, your tits are sensitive. :D

[MattG]

Ok, if you were running Adex @ 1mg ED and still got gyno I'd say you exhausted all options. Damn, your tits are sensitive. :D

Yeah bro it fuckin sucks. I know I could get to "the next level" if it weren't for gyno problems. The few times I ran tren, dbol, 100mg drol, I started looking great just a couple weeks into them...which is right when my nips swelled up big as fuck.lol Seems I am limited to test and a few other compounds unfortunately.

[Bouncer]

I wonder if you could run deca at the dose I'm running it?

I know in terms of a progestin, deca is more mild than say a tren and adrol combo.

[MattG]

I wonder if you could run deca at the dose I'm running it?

I know in terms of a progestin, deca is more mild than say a tren and adrol combo.

Possibly, but I'm too scared to try it.lol I ran npp one time at just 100mg eod with caber plus exemestane and had to stop that also. If I were to try deca I'd probably start super low at 75mg a week. It just takes so damn long for deca to leave your body...that's why I'm afraid to risk it

[chuckz28]

I also have high proclivity to gyno. What worked for Bouncer worked for me for the most part with the only problem being if say something aggrevates the area. Like if something exerts a lot of pressure or strikes my nipple area and by the next day it starts to form in which case I have found if I supplement Raloxifene for a couple weeks on top of my normal adex routine while on cycle then it goes away, drop the ralox and continue as before. Raloxifene is a miracle worker. All the pluses and no negatives.

[StanG]

I really feel like in a situation like the OP's a different approach needs to be taken as the traditional approach doesn't work.
For most of us simply properly managing our e2 keeps gyno at bay, for the OP (and others) it does not. In a case like that I feel a 2 prong approach is best.
1- Manage your e2 using blood work and an ai such as dex or stane.
2- Control gyno with a serm, preferably Raloxifene at 30mg/day but Tamoxifen at 20mg/day is acceptable as well.
Now I am all for running as few compounds as is needed but in a case like this I really feel that the above is the most effective, safest, and healthiest approach available to you.