Mk677 - The No BS Straight Scoop

[Turbo3000]

agree. i dont think the problem is with mk677 though, i think the problem is current protocol. i believe it will change as time and experience goes on.

that why i'm going to try 2 weeks on 1 week off next. 5 days on 2 days off is definitely not the correct protocol IMO.

Hmmmm.

You have me interested in trying 2 wks on/1 wk off.

[Bouncer]

See I am limited as I have and am only running it alongside cjc1295 w/dac so thats what I am working with. I def find the stack like a gh protocol. I also dont hold any water by taking the aspirin and i dont get "big gians"that I often hear people speak of. I honesty think they are predominantly water due to mk's effects on vasopressin going unchecked. Either way I think its a good compound and I agree with you Bounce, as more and more run it and run it different ways we will discover the "best"way to utilize this compound but the cool thing is this one IS a solid compound IMO, unlike so many of the other new compounds that are not much more than over hyped garbage.

Yea I do like mk-677, that's why I keep logging and cycling it. But I've had a helluva time trying to pin down the perfect protocol for it.

Plus I like those first 2 week gains, I don't wanna limit it with aspirin. Those gains give the round 3D effect to the muscle that I love. Just wish it would continue past those initial 2 weeks.

[dna9488]

Thank you for your input Stan, great post and you've shed great light and clarified my questions on it.

Bouncer, thanks for you input as well. I think you both have answered my questions regarding this topic and now I want to run a cycle of it alone.

Few questions regarding running MK677:
1) What happens after the 2 week blow up? Do your gains, size, strength just plateau?
2) How is your sleep while on?
3) Can you run a low carb/low fat/high protein diet while having great energy all day around while making phenomenal progress?
4) How long are cycles and cost of a cycle?
5) What effect does it have on joints and tendons?
6) Is it legal?

[StanG]

See I am limited as I have and am only running it alongside cjc1295 w/dac so thats what I am working with. I def find the stack like a gh protocol. I also dont hold any water by taking the aspirin and i dont get "big gians"that I often hear people speak of. I honesty think they are predominantly water due to mk's effects on vasopressin going unchecked. Either way I think its a good compound and I agree with you Bounce, as more and more run it and run it different ways we will discover the "best"way to utilize this compound but the cool thing is this one IS a solid compound IMO, unlike so many of the other new compounds that are not much more than over hyped garbage.

[Bouncer]

I've run mk several times too, and also blow up quick then nothing after a couple weeks. Tried it ed, 5 on 2 off, with cjc1295...no matter how I ran it I always became disappointed after the initial effects completely stopped.

agree. i dont think the problem is with mk677 though, i think the problem is current protocol. i believe it will change as time and experience goes on.

that why i'm going to try 2 weeks on 1 week off next. 5 days on 2 days off is definitely not the correct protocol IMO.

[MattG]

I've run mk several times too, and also blow up quick then nothing after a couple weeks. Tried it ed, 5 on 2 off, with cjc1295...no matter how I ran it I always became disappointed after the initial effects completely stopped.

[Bouncer]

Good post, agree for the most part. As you know I have a decent amount of experience with MK-677 (I've run 3 separate cycles.) I also have experience with real HGH so let me say a few things if I may.

What I find with Mk-677 @ a dose of 25mgs per day is that the first 2 weeks you get pretty fast results. For me I'm talking similar to dbol like gains. After about 2 weeks though everything just sort of stops in my experience. The improved sleep, the hunger, the feeling of well being all sort of just stops about 2 weeks in. I have run the 5 day on 2 day protocol and I do not believe 2 days off is enough. I will try MK-677 again after I'm finished with my current HGH course and I will log the results once again. This time though I will be running it 2 weeks on 1 week off to see if that changes things. My current theory though is that 2 days off is not enough.

Anyone interested in my logs can find them here. There are multiple logs in this thread so you have to read all the way through. I come to different conclucsions based on how I ran the different cycles so make sure to read to the end of the log.

http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums...ibutamoren-log

As for it's comparison to real HGH. Again, I have experience with both so I think im qualified to speak on it. I'll start out by saying that the 2 are different. The results are different. The experience is different. I have no doubt that Mk-677 raises GH levels and IGF levels but there is something else going on with how it works compared to real HGH that makes the experiance totally different. For me mk-677 feels kind of like running slin to be honest. I blow up quick and I get starving on it. This does not happen on regular HGH. HGH results build slowly and consistently and you notice very little for the first few weeks. So while the 2 may do some similar things they are also very different. Both are useful and very effective if used correctly.

[StanG]

Mk677- The No BS Straight Scoop ....



I see so much misinformation on this compound I decided to do a little write up on it to put to rest some misconceptions as far as what it is (and isnt) and what it does (and doesnt do). I will also get into its applications, dosing protocols and stacking it as well.

First of all Mk677 is not a SARM, I repeat Mk677 IS NOT A SARM!! It has been incorrectly marketed as a Sarm and people now actually mistake it for one. A SARM activates the androgen receptor selectively, Mk677 has absolutely no impact on the androgen receptor whatsoever.

So if it isnt a SARM then what is it? t is an oral GHRP (Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide). In other words it is in the same category of compound as GHRP2 and GHRP6 and Ipamorellin except it is orally administered. That factor in and of itself (oral administration) is pretty exciting. One of the hassles with some of the other ghrp's is the frequency with which you have to inject them. An oral compound with the bio-availability necessary to illicit a significant gh release in this category of compound is quite an accomplishment. That being said keep in mind Mk677 is dosed in mg's, the injectable ghrp's are administered in mcg, so obviously a comparatively large amount of mk677 is taken compared to the other ghrps.

Since we have established that Mk677 is a ghrp that immediately helps us to understand better exactly what the compound will do for us. GHRP's act upon the ghrellin receptor eliciting the release of GH. This process is not, however, without a cost. The action upon the ghrellin recptors also elicits an increase in both prolactin and cortisol. There is also an increase in GHIH (growth hormone inhibiting hormone) in the bodies attempt to resume a state of homeostasis. The various ghrp's have differing effects when in comes to the increase in these undesirable hormones. For example GHRP2 causes the most significant increase in them while Ipamorelin causes the least significant increase in them. With the injectable GHRP's there is a direct correlation between the GH release and the increase in undesirable hormone (ie: GHRP= most gh& most undesirable hormones; ipamorelin least gh & least impact on undesirable hormones). This is another exciting thing about Mk677, in addition to oral administration it has a high release of gh with a comparatively low increase in undesirable hormones. Do not get me wrong, there is an increase in these hormones, however compared to the gh release, comparable to other GHRP's, the increase is a low one. In order to offset this increase in Prolactin, Cortisol, and GHIH without taking other compounds the simple protocol of 5 days on, 2 days off administration prevents the build up of these hormones to detrimental levels.

So we now know Mk677 is not a SARM, its an oral GHRP. We also know that it is comparatively speaking a very effective GHRP with a decreased impact on undesirable hormones. So where does it fit in for us and what kind of effects can we expect?

Well where it fits in is anywhere that an increase in GH would be desirable. The thing is this, the increase in GH with Mk677 on its own is high enough to elicit some physical changes and effects. Tats huge. By stacking Mk677 with a GHRH (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone) such as CJC-1295 or Mod-GRF you can get those GH levels to a very high level. We are talking as high as a moderate dose of actual GH. THAT is huge!! We are talking the equivalent to 4-5iu's of gh daily with a stack of Mk677 (dosed at 25mg/day; 5 days on, 2 off) & CJC-1295 )injected2x/week at a dose of 750mcg/injection). This offers you an infrequent injection, relatively low cost alternative to actual GH. Also with all the bogus GH out there you are much more likely to get legit MK & CJC than legit GH ( I have a solid , reliable source that is a sponsor here- pm me if interested. Rules prevent me from posting their name). Now you could stack Mk677 with another GHRH beside CJC-1295, but the desirable thing abut that GHRH is the infrequent injection schedule which is why I prefer it. BTW I am not pulling these numbers and comparisions to actual GH out of a hat. These are based on my expereince WITH BLOOD WORK to support them.

So I said it is useful wherever GH would be useful. For Example, healing, anti aging and when combined with an anabolic stack increased muscle growth. Will it provide an increase in muscle mass on its own, yes, but no where near where you see some people reporting. There is a lot of BS hype and shilling going on since MK was at one time available as a supplement. This lead to BS and false claims as to its effects and then the"fit in crowd"posted they were getting the same results. (The fit in crowd are the ones that say **** just to fit in). The fact is on its own MK is not extremely anabolic per se, but it is extremely effective (just as effective as GH ) and when combined WITH anabolics it becomes and extremely anabolic addition. Thats the whole premise of GH use in bodybuilding guys. GH in and of itself is not extremely anabolic , especially when compared to steroids. However when added TO steroids, look out!!

Now lets talk a bit abut side effects. I see a ton of people talking about bloat with Mk677. There is a lot of confusion as to why this occurs and how to prevent it. Many people drop the dosage however by doing so you directly impact the potency and effectiveness of Mk. The optimal dose for Mkk677, without a doubt, is 25mg/day. The bloat is caused by an effect in the kidneys caused by the increase in GH on vasopressin. This can easily be offset by the addition of a simple low dose daily aspirin protocol. Thats right, one 82mg aspirin/day with impact ADH (anti dieuretic hormone or vasporessin) to the point where it eliminated the bloat associated with Mk677.

I think that abut covers it. I covered all the main points. Mk is not a SARM, it will not put 10-15bs of muscle on you, it does not drastically increase prolactin or cortisol, and it does not have to cause water retention. Mk677 is, IMO, a god send. It has allowed me too, by stacking it with CJC-1295, be on what is essentially an affordable, infrequent injection, Moderate Dose, GH protocol and I am reaping all the benefits that come with that. Increased sense of well being; improved skin, hair and nails; decreased bodyfat; an increase in muscle mass (that is drastically magnified when on an anabolic of some kind). Overall I think MK is an awesome, albeit misunderstood compound. Most of the misunderstanding has spawned from BS marketing and shilling. My goal was to set the record straight on MK and put the truth out there. What I really dont understand is the compound is awesome enough based on the truth. They never really needed to over-hype it but sadly thats how some industries work.

Anyway I hope this helps someone and feel free to ask any questions on MK you would like. I will answer to the best of my ability based on my knowledge and first hand
experience.

StanG