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I'm gonna avoid caber if possible and test the theory that progesterone needs estrogen to cause a problem. Again, I can always cancel this whole experiment the second I feel sides so I'm not that worried. I'm actually assuming I am going to cancel it.
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Are you running Adex?Originally posted by Bouncer View PostI'm gonna avoid caber if possible and test the theory that progesterone needs estrogen to cause a problem. Again, I can always cancel this whole experiment the second I feel sides so I'm not that worried. I'm actually assuming I am going to cancel it.
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Yea, and the first thing I'll do if I feel the slightest side is bump the adex. If that fails to stop it than we know the theory of progesterone needing estrogen is bullshit.Originally posted by boricuarage79 View PostAre you running Adex?
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At that point I'll lower the deca, raise the test, and stay on adex.
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Yea I'm just saying that some theorize that there is no such thing as "progesterone gyno" without estrogen. If I bump adex way up and still get sides I say fuck that theory. :DOriginally posted by boricuarage79 View PostImbalance between estrogen and progesterone is what leads to gynecomastia. With that being said if you are taking Adex then you might not experience any progesterone sides
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Works the same for eather 19 nor, except one can go higher with the deca migs, way higher . I'll say it agan caber is a wast of money/not needed at all unless u just like taking stuff that messes with ur bran chemistry 4 no reason. But there r the posative sexual sides, I was curious found out, don't need it, agan imo.Originally posted by boricuarage79 View PostWtf are you talking about.. he is doing Deca not Tren and you must of got some shitty ass caber because it works like a charm
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So you don't like shagging 4x a day? And believe me if you have a prolactin issue you are going to want the detonix.. I don't need it when running NPP, but I don't take my chances with Tren [emoji848][emoji848]Originally posted by Chicken View PostWorks the same for eather 19 nor, except one can go higher with the deca migs, way higher . I'll say it agan caber is a wast of money/not needed at all unless u just like taking stuff that messes with ur bran chemistry 4 no reason. But there r the posative sexual sides, I was curious found out, don't need it, agan imo.
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You don't fuck 4 times a day you lying faggot. My sex drive is nuts and I never fucked 4 times in a day in my life. I've fucked 3 times in a day and that is a bitch because I gotta shower after sex. I can't be walking around with dried up sex juice all over me. It's too much hassle and if you were fucken your girl right she should be absolutely raw after the second fuck of the day.Originally posted by boricuarage79 View PostSo you don't like shagging 4x a day? And believe me if you have a prolactin issue you are going to want the detonix.. I don't need it when running NPP, but I don't take my chances with Tren [emoji848][emoji848]
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If she can take 4 fucks a day you ain't doing your job. Mine would be in the hospital after 4. Boom! :D
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Again, since nandrolone does have estrogenic activity, that alone may cause estrogen related sides. a-dex won't even touch that since it lowers estrogen via inhibition of aromatase. If you prove susceptable to estrogenic sides with deca, the only fix may be to stop the deca.Originally posted by Bouncer View PostYea I'm just saying that some theorize that there is no such thing as "progesterone gyno" without estrogen. If I bump adex way up and still get sides I say fuck that theory. :D
Rather then bump the dosage of a-dex (which won't work if I'm right) I would try the caber at that point and see if the symptoms clear up. If they do, that is evidence for progesterone causing gyno.
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You keep saying that but you don't have any proof. How do you know deca doesn't convert to estrogen via aromatise the same way testosterone does?Originally posted by BowHunter View PostAgain, since nandrolone does have estrogenic activity, that alone may cause estrogen related sides. a-dex won't even touch that since it lowers estrogen via inhibition of aromatase. If you prove susceptable to estrogenic sides with deca, the only fix may be to stop the deca.
Rather then bump the dosage of a-dex (which won't work if I'm right) I would try the caber at that point and see if the symptoms clear up. If they do, that is evidence for progesterone causing gyno.
And yes adex would help even if you were right. It would lower estrogen conversion from test even further thus giving a lower total estrogen level and allowing more leeway and less chance of gyno for this magical estrogen from deca that doesn't aromatize that you keep talking about. Lol
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