First Tren Cycle Advice

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Always preach short esters. They work better and hit harder. Have you ever pinned with slin pins?

[jack tors]

I'd use Mast and Var instead of Tren but it looks fine...

[Chicken]

Always preach short esters. They work better and hit harder. Have you ever pinned with slin pins?

Long esters are much more powerful than short.

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Long esters are much more powerful than short.

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In which way? Msybe higher conversion to estro?

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In which way? Msybe higher conversion to estro?

they build up in the system in a way that short esters never can.

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they build up in the system in a way that short esters never can.

If I remember right, the shortened ester allows an overall higher peak hormone level. I guess it just depends on a person's individual idea of more powerful or more effective. I personally prefer to have much more control and effective active hormone that comes along with the short esters. Typically I run both simultaneously. Test E with prop.. deca with npp etc..

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If I remember right, the shortened ester allows an overall higher peak hormone level. I guess it just depends on a person's individual idea of more powerful or more effective. I personally prefer to have much more control and effective active hormone that comes along with the short esters. Typically I run both simultaneously. Test E with prop.. deca with npp etc..

No long esters build up and overlap creating a much higher peak.

[Chicken]

If I remember right, the shortened ester allows an overall higher peak hormone level. I guess it just depends on a person's individual idea of more powerful or more effective. I personally prefer to have much more control and effective active hormone that comes along with the short esters. Typically I run both simultaneously. Test E with prop.. deca with npp etc..

Ace feels stronger than tren-e bc it release so fast, but its metabolized completely or to about 12.5migs in 72 hours after one pins 100 migs. Pinning 100 migs a day, 700 a week of tren-a Ones blood saturation will reach about 250 to 300ish migs of tren ace with ester weight included at about day 7. If my calculation are correct. One may reach a bit higher than that due to their metabolism.
Using 500 tren e, 200 mig a week less than ace, ones blood will reach about 850ish in week 6. At 700 tren e blood saturation will be way over a gram in blood at week 6. All this hinges on the ester half lifes.
Imagen Tren e is a jet plane, it takes off and it takes a while to reach an altitude of 30,000 feet and levels out.
Imagen tren a as a prop plane and a max altitude of 10000 feet. U take off and climb and level out, verry fast.
Tren-A levels out in a weekish, tren e continues to steadily rase blood saturation for a 6 to 8 weeks.
There is a great article but it is encrypted/protected.
U guys can probably cut me up on the calculations did them in my head.
Game over, there is something about tren-a, it's just so fast, strong, yum. I favor the long esters bc of scar tissue, and I don't have to rotate. A glut shot renders up to 50% better absorbtion than delt. Better blood saturation with large muscle shots. Thnx for sharing ur cycle style. I never ran a cycle with both esters . Sounds good.
Do u run that way often?







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Do u run that way often?

I wont Hi-jack his thread any longer (sorry!) but I tend to do this instead of front loading, jump starting with an oral etc.. Run say 1g Test E with 500mg Test P - 900mg Tren E with 400-500mg Tren A - 800mg Primo and 350-500mg Mast P / per week phase orals in and out and almost do mini blasts with different short esters like replacing Tren A with NPP and Tren E with Deca etc..

[Chicken]

I wont Hi-jack his thread any longer (sorry!) but I tend to do this instead of front loading, jump starting with an oral etc.. Run say 1g Test E with 500mg Test P - 900mg Tren E with 400-500mg Tren A - 800mg Primo and 350-500mg Mast P / per week phase orals in and out and almost do mini blasts with different short esters like replacing Tren A with NPP and Tren E with Deca etc..

Thnx for ur style, game over, it looks cool, going to try some tren-a with my tren-e and deca, a couple hours before the jym!

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[smith21]

Looks fine

[GymRatRoider]

I just thought that I'd post a quick follow up. I had a very successful cycle (around 12 weeks) with some great results in body comp and strength. Sides were pretty minimal with some night sweats, occasional Tren cough and a little bit of Tren dick the last couple of weeks. I'm just finishing up my PCT now and things seem to be pretty much back to normal but I will probably follow up with some blood work in a couple of weeks just to be sure. Overall I would say for anyone thinking about Tren that you should give it a try---you won't be disappointed! And it's not nearly as "scary" as it is sometimes made to seem assuming you do your homework and go at it modestly as I did.

For the record I started with about 200mg Tren A and 100mg Test P the first week, did 300/150 for around 6 weeks, and bumped it up to around 450/225 for a week or two at the end just to test my tolerance levels. The only real change I saw at the end was some Tren dick which I'm not sure is due to the increased dosage around that time or just the length of the cycle. I tried some Cabaser with no real effect so I upped the Test to more like 450mg and that seemed to help and I added Arimidex as well to be safe. PCT was Clomid 50/50/50/50 and Nolva 20/20/10/10.

[Bouncer]

I just thought that I'd post a quick follow up. I had a very successful cycle (around 12 weeks) with some great results in body comp and strength. Sides were pretty minimal with some night sweats, occasional Tren cough and a little bit of Tren dick the last couple of weeks. I'm just finishing up my PCT now and things seem to be pretty much back to normal but I will probably follow up with some blood work in a couple of weeks just to be sure. Overall I would say for anyone thinking about Tren that you should give it a try---you won't be disappointed! And it's not nearly as "scary" as it is sometimes made to seem assuming you do your homework and go at it modestly as I did.

For the record I started with about 200mg Tren A and 100mg Test P the first week, did 300/150 for around 6 weeks, and bumped it up to around 450/225 for a week or two at the end just to test my tolerance levels. The only real change I saw at the end was some Tren dick which I'm not sure is due to the increased dosage around that time or just the length of the cycle. I tried some Cabaser with no real effect so I upped the Test to more like 450mg and that seemed to help and I added Arimidex as well to be safe. PCT was Clomid 50/50/50/50 and Nolva 20/20/10/10.

glad to hear it went well.

problem with tren is that people react very differently to it.

if you already have a temper/aggression issues it will amplify that shit by 100. naturally calm people tend to handle tren fine. i run even the smallest dose and i can't stand myself. lol

[boricuarage79]

I just thought that I'd post a quick follow up. I had a very successful cycle (around 12 weeks) with some great results in body comp and strength. Sides were pretty minimal with some night sweats, occasional Tren cough and a little bit of Tren dick the last couple of weeks. I'm just finishing up my PCT now and things seem to be pretty much back to normal but I will probably follow up with some blood work in a couple of weeks just to be sure. Overall I would say for anyone thinking about Tren that you should give it a try---you won't be disappointed! And it's not nearly as "scary" as it is sometimes made to seem assuming you do your homework and go at it modestly as I did.

For the record I started with about 200mg Tren A and 100mg Test P the first week, did 300/150 for around 6 weeks, and bumped it up to around 450/225 for a week or two at the end just to test my tolerance levels. The only real change I saw at the end was some Tren dick which I'm not sure is due to the increased dosage around that time or just the length of the cycle. I tried some Cabaser with no real effect so I upped the Test to more like 450mg and that seemed to help and I added Arimidex as well to be safe. PCT was Clomid 50/50/50/50 and Nolva 20/20/10/10.

Disagree with tren.

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[GymRatRoider]

glad to hear it went well.

problem with tren is that people react very differently to it.

if you already have a temper/aggression issues it will amplify that shit by 100. naturally calm people tend to handle tren fine. i run even the smallest dose and i can't stand myself. lol

Thanks that makes a lot of sense actually. I definitely respected it going into things. That's the whole reason I did the short ester Tren A, pinned ED and started out pretty small. I'm a pretty even keeled, controlled kind of guy so perhaps that's why I didn't experience any of the aggression sides. I'm a little older too (mid-50s) so that could impact things as well.