I don't understand what all these Letter and Number substances are e.g.M1T

[NCAA LEGEND]

big pete do you compete

[bigpetefox]

Yes, I do.. ;)

[spidey]

Originally posted by jipped genes
more like tren.

it is a loophole steroid and it is, as said, methylated making it a 17aa. the methylization has made it much more androgenic than regular 1test. i just got some because my workout partner gained a little over 10# in 5 weeks on M1t and 4ad. and his strength went through the roof.

17-alpha methylation usually DECREASES androgenic character. Is this an exception to the rule?

[jipped genes]

Originally posted by spidey
17-alpha methylation usually DECREASES androgenic character. Is this an exception to the rule?

i am no chemist but 1 test is not very androgenic after becoming a 17aa its androgenic character is ramped up. go figure.

[prolangtum]

1 Test is actually quite androgenic

[candle25]

Originally posted by prolangtum
1 Test is actually quite androgenic

No doubt.

[spidey]

Depending on what data you look at, 1-test is about 1-3 times as androgenic as test and 2-8 times as anabolic.

References:

R.E. Counsell; etal: J. Org.Chem., (1961), 27, 248-253. (2.9x androgenic and 7.7x anabolic as testosterone base)

Z. Cekan; B. Pele: Steroids, (1966) 6, 209-218. (1.3x androgenic and 2.1 x anabolic as testosterone)

I have some doubts about the validity of the research in the second reference since they list DHT as only slightly more androgenic then test when I know it is a good 10x as androgenic.

[spidey]

Interestingly, the first reference (JOC) lists M-1-T as only 0.7x as androgenic as test and 2x as anabolic. That number would probably change if the M-1-T were administered orally instead of injected as in the paper though.

[prolangtum]

yep, PA pointed out how M 1T is not to great injected, both passes through the liver are key, so thats why VPX's dleivery which is supposed to avoid the first pass is not a good idea