So you think it's about time we get rid of the electoral college?

[sana]

bush has the popular vote this time around by like 4 million.

btw - if you want to change the electoral college - get involved in local politics. change doesn't come by bitching on an internet message board - it comes from being involved.

[Timma]

Originally posted by stonecold54
and I predict people will still think that THEIR party can fix the problems. man Timma you sure stirred up a shit pot. LOL

I'm not saying Kerry would do a better job, but those things are gonna happen.

[Timma]

Originally posted by sana
bush has the popular vote this time around by like 4 million.

btw - if you want to change the electoral college - get involved in local politics. change doesn't come by bitching on an internet message board - it comes from being involved.

I totally understand what you're saying, but when your local politicians are worse than the president, there's no hope.

[Cory]

Originally posted by Timma
I totally understand what you're saying, but when your local politicians are worse than the president, there's no hope.

Being from Louisiana, this is very true for me.

[Timma]

Originally posted by Megiddo
Government Lesson:

Back when the nation was being founded, there were two guys who had disagreeing ideas on exactly what type of government we should have. Alexander Hamilton wanted a represenative democracy because he felt that A) the people of the nation were not informed enough to make decisions in the governement, and B) he forsaw that the U.S. would encompass the enitre continent eventually.

On the other side we had this guy named Thomas Jefferson who wanted a popular democracy. T.J. beleived in the common man and felt that that every landholding citizen should have a voice in government.

As the founding fathers debated on how the country should be run and all that jazz, they came upon how the president should be elected into office. Hamilton and his followers wanted Congress to do the job while Jefferson and his followers wanted the people to elect the President, an office that has no more power than any other branch of government.

After much bickering, fighting, debating, and drinking, a compromise was met on both sides. The President would be elected by both the people and Congress. How is this you may ask? Well it's quite simple. Each state has a group of appointed officials known as electors. The state has a number of electors equal to its number of House reps and Senators. When election time comes up the people vote for who they want to be president. The popular vote in each state influences the states electoral votes who are turned in on the thursday after the election day. Does this mean that your vote does not count? No it doesn't. Your votes count in the influence of the electoral vote.

The electoral college is the creation of compromise which makes this nation great. We compromise to become better. Of course right now it isn't about compromise or patriotism but pride. Kerry knows he lost but he won't concede to that fact.

ANy questions? Test next Monday.

This is why i'm glad Hamilton was shot. Wish Burr would have shot him earlier.

[sana]

Originally posted by Timma
I totally understand what you're saying, but when your local politicians are worse than the president, there's no hope.

then in that case, you should get involved and either unseat the local politicians or help to unseat them.

change happens one baby step at a time :)

[bad14u]

Originally posted by sana
bush has the popular vote this time around by like 4 million.

btw - if you want to change the electoral college - get involved in local politics. change doesn't come by bitching on an internet message board - it comes from being involved.

:agree: If you live in the following states your elected officials don't have to go by the popular vote of their state!
ARIZONA - 8 Electoral Votes
ARKANSAS - 6 Electoral Votes
DELAWARE - 3 Electoral Votes
GEORGIA - 13 Electoral Votes
IDAHO - 4 Electoral Votes
ILLINOIS - 22 Electoral Votes
INDIANA - 12 Electoral Votes
IOWA - 7 Electoral Votes
KANSAS - 6 Electoral Votes
KENTUCKY - 8 Electoral Votes
LOUISIANA - 9 Electoral Votes
MINNESOTA - 10 Electoral Votes
MISSOURI - 11 Electoral Votes
NEW HAMPSHIRE - 4 Electoral Votes
NEW JERSEY - 15 Electoral Votes
NEW YORK - 33 Electoral Votes
NORTH DAKOTA - 3 Electoral Votes
PENNSYLVANIA - 23 Electoral Votes
RHODE ISLAND - 4 Electoral Votes
SOUTH DAKOTA - 3 Electoral Votes
TENNESSEE - 11 Electoral Votes
TEXAS - 32 Electoral Votes
UTAH - 5 Electoral Votes
WEST VIRGINIA - 5 Electoral Votes

[Stonecold54]

That is the thing about politics when you become one you change. In my lifetime I have only seen ONE strong politician. That was jesse ventura. Who would have thought that a former entertainer would do so well. He said what he wanted to do, he did most of it and then resigned by not running again. And on a side note I believe term limits need to be imposed. Politics should not be a life time achievment award.

[Megiddo]

And on a side note I believe term limits need to be imposed. Politics should not be a life time achievment award.

Dude definately with you on that one. Look at Jesse Helms, South Carolina sentor who recently died. That guy was part of the Senate at the start of the Civil War.:D

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by Megiddo
Dude definately with you on that one. Look at Jesse Helms, South Carolina sentor who recently died. That guy was part of the Senate at the start of the Civil War.:D

LOL- :rofl:

[Timma]

Originally posted by Megiddo
Dude definately with you on that one. Look at Jesse Helms, South Carolina sentor who recently died. That guy was part of the Senate at the start of the Civil War.:D

So true all political positions should have term limits.

One thing is with my job I cannot run for an office cause I have a gov't job. Myself and another guy here always thought about doing it, but we'd lose our jobs if we did.

[playthegame]

Originally posted by Megiddo
Dude definately with you on that one. Look at Jesse Helms, South Carolina sentor who recently died. That guy was part of the Senate at the start of the Civil War.:D

Don't you mean Strom Thurman? :rolleyes: Jesse Helms is from North Carolina and is still alive.

[Megiddo]

Originally posted by playthegame
Don't you mean Strom Thurman? :rolleyes: Jesse Helms is from North Carolina and is still alive.

Yeah actually I do. My mistake. But then again they both have been aorund since secesion

[playthegame]

Kerry Conceded...

www.cnn.com

:D

[Keiser]

Originally posted by Cory
It's such a crock of shit. We don't really live in a completely free country. Government controls everything.

Bush is winning the overall and the electoral college. Cory, what is your argument?

I voted for Kerry, but am not going to get my panties in a wad over bush winning fair and square.