So you think it's about time we get rid of the electoral college?

[lordikon]

Originally posted by Cory
It's such a crock of shit. We don't really live in a completely free country. Government controls everything.

If it was popular vote, than Bush won by even more than before. But he would've lost in 2000.

What I think is worse if having a party system. Almost everyone I spoke to, if they voted for Bush, they also voted for every republican senetor and congressman/woman whether or not they knew anything about them or thought they were qualified.

[rude]

Originally posted by sana
btw - if you want to change the electoral college - get involved in local politics. change doesn't come by bitching on an internet message board - it comes from being involved.

So because he isn't involved in politics, he should be allowed to have an opinion on the electoral college?

[sana]

Originally posted by rude
So because he isn't involved in politics, he should be allowed to have an opinion on the electoral college?

if he's truely this incensed about it, he should take action. you can have an opinion, but if it's going to be strong enough to say it should be changed - it is within all our powers to try to change. and if he has tried and not succeeded, then i would respect him for trying.

that's my point.

[rude]

Originally posted by sana
if he's truely this incensed about it, he should take action. you can have an opinion, but if it's going to be strong enough to say it should be changed - it is within all our powers to try to change. and if he has tried and not succeeded, then i would respect him for trying.

that's my point.

I see, I guess I read it the wrong way.

[CJWolf]

so how many times has an elector voted against party lines against the popular vote?

I assume if you've researched this topic for more than 4.3 minutes you'd know the answer.

Also, the popular vote does work on the issue of popular vote but it disallows people from casting 2 votes in one area or 6 different votes in different states.

I dunno, just my opinion.

[Cory]

Originally posted by Keiser
Bush is winning the overall and the electoral college. Cory, what is your argument?

I voted for Kerry, but am not going to get my panties in a wad over bush winning fair and square.

I made this comment before the election was over, silly!! Moreover, I was really referring to the Gore/Bush campagne in 2000. ;)

[Cory]

Originally posted by lordikon
What I think is worse if having a party system. Almost everyone I spoke to, if they voted for Bush, they also voted for every republican senetor and congressman/woman whether or not they knew anything about them or thought they were qualified.

This is so true. I live in an area in Louisiana that is so filled with rednecks and if Billy Bob Hatfield's momma and daddy and the rest of the 18 people in their immediate family voted for Bush and the rebublicans, then of course they can't use their own brains and listen to the issues and make up their own minds who is the best candidate. They are just robots and conform. On the other hand, when I spoke to Kerry supporters, they always had very intelligent reasons why they were voting that way and always cited specific issues. I had read a real study that showed that the IQ's of Bush supporters were substancially lower than Kerry supporters.

[7lok4]

Originally posted by sana
then in that case, you should get involved and either unseat the local politicians or help to unseat them.

change happens one baby step at a time :)

I agree that getting involved on any level you can is important. I have had the opportunity to know and work with a couple of well know politicians. The message I got from one in particular was that they got into politics to make positive change...What they found was that they had to comprimise a lot of their ideals to get to where they are and even more of their beleifs to accomplish anything once they got there. Basically they had to sell out to get into the game. Hence we end up with no good choice for president in '04. I hate politics.:mad:

[spidey]

Originally posted by Cory
This is so true. I live in an area in Louisiana that is so filled with rednecks and if Billy Bob Hatfield's momma and daddy and the rest of the 18 people in their immediate family voted for Bush and the rebublicans, then of course they can't use their own brains and listen to the issues and make up their own minds who is the best candidate. They are just robots and conform. On the other hand, when I spoke to Kerry supporters, they always had very intelligent reasons why they were voting that way and always cited specific issues. I had read a real study that showed that the IQ's of Bush supporters were substancially lower than Kerry supporters.

LOL, That study was a joke (literally). Look it up on snopes.com. BTW, I am a Bush supporter and have an IQ and an education well above average.

As for the electoral college, if it didn't exist then (if you didn't live in Ca or NY) your vote pretty much wouldn't count. Only the huge population centers would be important in electing a president. If you lived in the midwest or anywhere outside a handful of large cities, your vote would be over-ridden by the majority of Americans that live in these large population centers. That is one of the major reasons for the electoral college: to equalize the voting power of the states. No state has less than 3 electoral votes so WY which has only 400,000 people in the whole state has a voice even though their population is dwarfed by other states.

Even though some electors are not technically bound by law to follow the popular vote in their states, name once in history where any of them have gone against the popular vote in their states; it doesn't happen.

I think we should keep the electoral college. I don't want to have to move to NY to have a say in who should be president. No system is perfect but overall, it has worked pretty well for over 200 years.