Mike Tyson opinion

[GreekTank]

Originally posted by 7lok4
He has been fucked over. Everyone gets fucked over. A lot of people come up hard. Not everyone behaves like an animal. I can empathize with the the miserable place he has reached in life but beyond that he has gotten of pretty easy for his actions. How would you feel about Tyson if it was your sister that he was convicted of raping? Or if you were missing a piece of your ear? If Tyson was not a celeb he would be rotting in jail as we speak. I always find it interesting how much slack athletes and other high profile people get and the excuses that get made for them. Bottom line: If Tyson was not Tyson who would feel bad for him? No one. And no, people should not be expected reach out to him. If he needs help, he needs to go and get it for himself. He is a man not a child.

True!

[Mr I]

Originally posted by bonebreaker
Tyson is NOT A VICTIM!! He had the world in his hands and threw it away. The choices he made in life were his own. Raping a girl doesn't make him a victim, it makes him an animal. There is no excuse whatsoever. All the other crazy behaviour he exhibited were also his choice. You guys can think all you like that he was used, shit on and made to be the way he is. If he were a real man, he would have accepted the defeats he had, in and out of the ring, and "stepped up" and behaved like a true champion and man. He did neither and paid the price. Tyson will never win another big fight. Sure he may kick the shit out of some nobodys, but that'll be it for him. The breaks in life are always made by the people who receive them, and the real test of a man is to come back from adversity and be a winner. BB

Is see where your coming from BB and I don't wanna digress too uch from GT's thread, BUT;

Did he rape her?, I mean why would a girl invite Mike T round at that time in the AM if she didn't expect it would end in sex? Tea and cake? come on bro, or is the American legal system fucked up, OJ Simpson?

So he can/could be an animal, well yeah thats what we've always paid to see, isn't it?

He's no angel thats for sure but in truth neither are many high profile atheletes, they're competative, and his area is fighting so you wouldn't expect him to be an angel.

Like I said, no excuses for his behaviour in the past, but he has in my opinion been used and fucked over, which explains some of his frustration.

[Mr I]

Originally posted by 7lok4
He has been fucked over. Everyone gets fucked over. A lot of people come up hard. Not everyone behaves like an animal. I can empathize with the the miserable place he has reached in life but beyond that he has gotten of pretty easy for his actions. How would you feel about Tyson if it was your sister that he was convicted of raping? Or if you were missing a piece of your ear? If Tyson was not a celeb he would be rotting in jail as we speak. I always find it interesting how much slack athletes and other high profile people get and the excuses that get made for them. Bottom line: If Tyson was not Tyson who would feel bad for him? No one. And no, people should not be expected reach out to him. If he needs help, he needs to go and get it for himself. He is a man not a child.

Zlok4,

If it was my sister and I THOUGHT he raped her, I'd give him the peace that he could never achieve in life by ending it for him, no questions! But see my other reply to BB on that case.

In terms off the ripped off ear, no excuses for that either, he was getting beaten and became frustrated so he effectively threw the fight to stop himself getting beaten ?

but, in my view Holyfield was butting with his head and fighting dirty himself and should have been docked quite a few points had the referee had the balls to do his job properly, this may well have changed Tysons demeaner and his corners advice, the outcome may have been different!

Yeah atheletes do get a lot of slack that joe public doesn't, here in England the soccer players get away with all sorts of shit and they often lack decency and respect because they can and its very wrong.

[Mr I]

Originally posted by GreekTank
Mr. incredible, that's an intelligent synopsis!

INCREDIBLE you might say!:agree:

[GreekTank]

Originally posted by Mr incredible
Zlok4,

If it was my sister and I THOUGHT he raped her, I'd give him the peace that he could never achieve in life by ending it for him, no questions! But see my other reply to BB on that case.

In terms off the ripped off ear, no excuses for that either, he was getting beaten and became frustrated so he effectively threw the fight to stop himself getting beaten ?

but, in my view Holyfield was butting with his head and fighting dirty himself and should have been docked quite a few points had the referee had the balls to do his job properly, this may well have changed Tysons demeaner and his corners advice, the outcome may have been different!

Yeah atheletes do get a lot of slack that joe public doesn't, here in England the soccer players get away with all sorts of shit and they often lack decency and respect because they can and its very wrong.

Yeah bro, tuching up on that, Mills lane is a very good friend of holyfield's. I think it was one sided. That guy should have been deducted for the headbutts, that would have given Tyson some ease, and probably could have changed the fight! that's the fight that fucked up his career, he's never been the same since!

[bonebreaker]

Originally posted by GreekTank
Yeah bro, tuching up on that, Mills lane is a very good friend of holyfield's. I think it was one sided. That guy should have been deducted for the headbutts, that would have given Tyson some ease, and probably could have changed the fight! that's the fight that fucked up his career, he's never been the same since!

LMFAO!! Which fight with Holyfield fucked up his career? The first one where Holyfield beat the shit out of him, or the second one where Holyfield was on his way to doing the same when the "animal" came out in Tyson and he started gnawing on Holyfield because he knew he was going to get knocked out again. DID YOU EVEN KNOW THERE WERE TWO FIGHTS? Did you see the Buster Douglas fight in Japan where a total nobody knocked Tyson's stupid ass out? THAT'S WHEN TYSON BECAME ORDINARY!! I for the life of me cannot understand why some of you people still make excuses for this human pig!! He does not warrant sympathy. He made his own bed and now he has to lie in it. ANYBODY, who is a CONVICTED rapist and has done the things this asshole has done does not need bleeding heart liberals wiping his butt and whining for him. I bet you guys think O.J. was innocent too. Yeah he was found to be innocent, but everybody knows he did it and why he got away with it. Damn! BB

[Mr I]

Originally posted by bonebreaker
LMFAO!! Which fight with Holyfield fucked up his career? The first one where Holyfield beat the shit out of him, or the second one where Holyfield was on his way to doing the same when the "animal" came out in Tyson and he started gnawing on Holyfield because he knew he was going to get knocked out again. DID YOU EVEN KNOW THERE WERE TWO FIGHTS? Did you see the Buster Douglas fight in Japan where a total nobody knocked Tyson's stupid ass out? THAT'S WHEN TYSON BECAME ORDINARY!! I for the life of me cannot understand why some of you people still make excuses for this human pig!! He does not warrant sympathy. He made his own bed and now he has to lie in it. ANYBODY, who is a CONVICTED rapist and has done the things this asshole has done does not need bleeding heart liberals wiping his butt and whining for him. I bet you guys think O.J. was innocent too. Yeah he was found to be innocent, but everybody knows he did it and why he got away with it. Damn! BB

:rofl: LOL.
I'm not saying I'd invite the guy round for a family meal, just that in my opinion joe public is hypocritical and fickle in their view of him.

[bonebreaker]

Originally posted by Mr incredible
:rofl: LOL.
I'm not saying I'd invite the guy round for a family meal, just that in my opinion joe public is hypocritical and fickle in their view of him.

MOST of "Joe Public" looks at it like this. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck and swims like a duck, it's a fucking duck. I saw him at ringside watching the Tarver fight last Saturday night. I hadn't noticed it before, maybe I hadn't been paying attention, but he now sports a Tribal tat around his left eye. Looks absolutely stupid. The majority of "Joe Public" sees just what I see, a total waste of humanity. Such skill, power, boxing knowledge and crowd appeal thrown the hell away. If he wouldn't have had such things, it wouldn't be so bad, but to waste all of that and turn out to be what he is now is the biggest waste of all. BB

[Mr I]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bonebreaker
[B]MOST of "Joe Public" looks at it like this. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck and swims like a duck, it's a fucking duck.

:rofl:

Shakespears analogy was "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

but I like yours better

[bonebreaker]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr incredible
[B]

Originally posted by bonebreaker
MOST of "Joe Public" looks at it like this. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck and swims like a duck, it's a fucking duck.

:rofl:

Shakespears analogy was "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

but I like yours better

:3some: Or, "Parting is such sweet sorrow". Tyson parting from humanity and being a force in boxing. BB

[Mr I]

"The majority of "Joe Public" sees just what I see, a total waste of humanity MOST of "Joe Public" looks at it like this."

Ok, but I don't agree.

"Such skill, power, boxing knowledge and crowd appeal thrown the hell away. If he wouldn't have had such things, it wouldn't be so bad, but to waste all of that and turn out to be what he is now is the biggest waste of all."

True, but he only got that through hard work and then, when he got to the top, cunts like Don King fucked him over which is what me and GT are saying, and in my view thats contributed to his attitude and problems. But I agree in the sense that no excuses for him as ultimately he commands his own destiny.

I'm not posting any more on this I'm burned out.

[bonebreaker]

Originally posted by Mr incredible
"The majority of "Joe Public" sees just what I see, a total waste of humanity MOST of "Joe Public" looks at it like this."

Ok, but I don't agree.

"Such skill, power, boxing knowledge and crowd appeal thrown the hell away. If he wouldn't have had such things, it wouldn't be so bad, but to waste all of that and turn out to be what he is now is the biggest waste of all."

True, but he only got that through hard work and then, when he got to the top, cunts like Don King fucked him over which is what me and GT are saying, and in my view thats contributed to his attitude and problems. But I agree in the sense that no excuses for him as ultimately he commands his own destiny.

I'm not posting any more on this I'm burned out.

LOL---Ditto. BB

[Mr I]

Originally posted by bonebreaker
LOL---Ditto. BB

Well I'm glad we resolved that one!

Next on the list...abortion, should it be legal?

wait for the post!

:rofl: :rofl:

[GreekTank]

Originally posted by bonebreaker
LMFAO!! Which fight with Holyfield fucked up his career? The first one where Holyfield beat the shit out of him, or the second one where Holyfield was on his way to doing the same when the "animal" came out in Tyson and he started gnawing on Holyfield because he knew he was going to get knocked out again. DID YOU EVEN KNOW THERE WERE TWO FIGHTS? Did you see the Buster Douglas fight in Japan where a total nobody knocked Tyson's stupid ass out? THAT'S WHEN TYSON BECAME ORDINARY!! I for the life of me cannot understand why some of you people still make excuses for this human pig!! He does not warrant sympathy. He made his own bed and now he has to lie in it. ANYBODY, who is a CONVICTED rapist and has done the things this asshole has done does not need bleeding heart liberals wiping his butt and whining for him. I bet you guys think O.J. was innocent too. Yeah he was found to be innocent, but everybody knows he did it and why he got away with it. Damn! BB

Let me get in here and start throwing some combinations!
Hey Bonehead or whatever your name is. I know there was 2 fights with Holyfield, do you think I'm a jerkoff or something. I know what I comment about. I knew of him before I hit puberty and the TEST started flowing in elevated amounts.
Buster Douglas did not count bro. Tyson was blowing loads everyday with the japanese chicks there, he looked fucked up in the fight, everyone knows that, plus he didin't train for that fight, IF YOU SAW HIM SPARRING WITH GREGG PAGE PRIOR TO THE FIGHT HE GOT KNOCKED DOWN & LOOKED LIKE AN ASS! what about Octavio Maron the ref in that fight with the long count on Buster Douglas when TYSON KNOCKED HIM DOWN he took 13 seconds to count to 10 bro. It should have been over there. What else do you want me to counterpunch you with? Holyfield is a H**O what's with all those headbutts cutting him IN BOTH FIGHTS, LOOK WHAT HE DID TO RAHMAN, LEWIS. I DO GIVE HOLYFIELD CREDIT THOUGH, he fought a good fight with Tyson, both times!

[7lok4]

Originally posted by GreekTank
Let me get in here and start throwing some combinations!
Hey Bonehead or whatever your name is. I know there was 2 fights with Holyfield, do you think I'm a jerkoff or something. I know what I comment about. I knew of him before I hit puberty and the TEST started flowing in elevated amounts.
Buster Douglas did not count bro. Tyson was blowing loads everyday with the japanese chicks there, he looked fucked up in the fight, everyone knows that, plus he didin't train for that fight, IF YOU SAW HIM SPARRING WITH GREGG PAGE PRIOR TO THE FIGHT HE GOT KNOCKED DOWN & LOOKED LIKE AN ASS! what about Octavio Maron the ref in that fight with the long count on Buster Douglas when TYSON KNOCKED HIM DOWN he took 13 seconds to count to 10 bro. It should have been over there. What else do you want me to counterpunch you with? Holyfield is a H**O what's with all those headbutts cutting him IN BOTH FIGHTS, LOOK WHAT HE DID TO RAHMAN, LEWIS. I DO GIVE HOLYFIELD CREDIT THOUGH, he fought a good fight with Tyson, both times!

If Tyson was out banging chicks and not training then he deserved what he got in the Douglas fight. What is your point? Tyson never has been and never will be the same fighter. I think the issue here is why are you making excuses for the guy? You never addressed my question: What if it was your sister that Tyson was convicted of raping? I could be wrong, but I don't think you would accept the fact that Mike had a tough childhood and has been screwed out of some money as an excuse. The fact is that the guy has victimized many people in some pretty terrible ways and he still has a tough time acting near-human in public. I loved the guy as a fighter back in the day but he has proven himself to be an animal...yet he is a free man because he can still draw a crowd and make a buck. It's scary how people will turn a blind eye to the facts when a celebrity is involved in these types of things.