Now, the government is REALLY starting to scare the shit out of me.

[spidey]

ok then. my hypothetical situations have made my point. my whole point was that if this were to happen to you and your family, that you wouldnt be on here talking so strongly about your beliefs. i can promise you that they would change some. people in general dont know what they believe until they go threw it. myself included. its our nature to "think" we believe something and then once we go threw it, our belief has changed a bit. you shouldnt have such a strong oppinion until you walk a mile in some peoples shoes.

ok, that arguement is over. and now to break the tension.

Bouncer 1

Spidey 0

:fufool:

HA, "I have only BEGUN to fight", LOL.

No tension here. Just a point though, my beliefs WOULD NOT change one iota and I would so talk just as strongly about them. Just for the record, nearly every female I know with the exception of my mother has been either molested as a child or raped as an adult. Fortunately, no pregnancies resulted but the possibility was there for several of them. My family did go through these scenarios and make some difficult choices that, thankfully, didn't have to be implemented. While I haven't had to deal with my daughters (I have only one son, soon to be two sons) or my wife being raped, I have been close to people making such decisions. I have always admired their strength in making the choices they did.

[spidey]

I can promise you one more thing. Every women on this board agrees with me...

And I would be careful about broad generalizations like that. I know several women who are pro-life; some of then more rabid than I.

[Puddles]

I can promise you one more thing. Every women on this board agrees with me...

We're all girls at conception, then something goes wrong and some of you turn into boys.

'nuff said.



;)

[Stonecold54]

'nuff said.



;)

actually we are all fish for a while until our gills go away so.......now what....


my view on life beginning is a baby is a parasite. it takes nutrients, oxygen and water from a host in its growth (or a symbiotic life since the mother gets some joy from being pregnant, I assume). until the baby is out of the womb and the umbilical is cut it is not a life form because life implies individuality...and as soon as it is a seperate form of life then the motherly resposiblities must be active otherwise at that point to let a child die is a crime.

[vegasjuicer]

my view on life beginning is a baby is a parasite. it takes nutrients, oxygen and water from a host in its growth (or a symbiotic life since the mother gets some joy from being pregnant, I assume). until the baby is out of the womb and the umbilical is cut it is not a life form because life implies individuality...and as soon as it is a seperate form of life then the motherly resposiblities must be active otherwise at that point to let a child die is a crime.

After I get married, the wife and I are gonna get together and create ourselves a parasite! :rolleyes:

[redsquirrel]

actually we are all fish for a while until our gills go away so.......now what....


my view on life beginning is a baby is a parasite. it takes nutrients, oxygen and water from a host in its growth (or a symbiotic life since the mother gets some joy from being pregnant, I assume). until the baby is out of the womb and the umbilical is cut it is not a life form because life implies individuality...and as soon as it is a seperate form of life then the motherly resposiblities must be active otherwise at that point to let a child die is a crime.

that is quite an impressive assessment!

[Shibby]

After I get married, the wife and I are gonna get together and create ourselves a parasite! :rolleyes:

2 post and both are flaming mods. You contribute nothing. I don't think you belong :D

[Bouncer]

And I would be careful about broad generalizations like that. I know several women who are pro-life; some of then more rabid than I.

and i would be careful who you tell to be careful. i will eat you little spider.

[Stonecold54]

that is quite an impressive assessment!

I can't tell your tone but the arguement comes down to when "life" begins...I take the more philisophical look. People say it is cold and what not but in the realm of debate fuzzy little pics of reality isn't what is needed. and most of you guys and girls should be voting Libertarian if you really feel this way.

[redsquirrel]

I can't tell your tone but the arguement comes down to when "life" begins...I take the more philisophical look. People say it is cold and what not but in the realm of debate fuzzy little pics of reality isn't what is needed. and most of you guys and girls should be voting Libertarian if you really feel this way.

I'm actually being serious.

Who do you think should be voting Libertarian? And why?

[Primal Instinct]

Wow, what a thread! It's like Hurricane Superior Muscle came blowing through here, lol.

[IntensityX]

Wow, what a thread! It's like Hurricane Superior Muscle came blowing through here, lol.

Well after seeing Spidey and Bouncer go at it I would say it's a category 5 hurricane :rofl:

[bad14u]

my view on life beginning is a baby is a parasite. it takes nutrients, oxygen and water from a host in its growth (or a symbiotic life since the mother gets some joy from being pregnant, I assume). until the baby is out of the womb and the umbilical is cut it is not a life form because life implies individuality...and as soon as it is a seperate form of life then the motherly resposiblities must be active otherwise at that point to let a child die is a crime.

SC...Ya know I love ya Bro.....but that is the most absurd comment I believe I have ever seen you post. A baby is not a parasite in any shape or form! A baby is a miracle of life and a blessing from God. Just ask those that can't have children.

If what you say is true about parasites then mankind is the only parasite on earth. We are sucking Mother Earth dry of all of it's nutrients, oxygen and water.

[Primal Instinct]

I think that Stonecold's assessment is more of a biological view on embryos/babies but is still accurate, although less intimate than that of others here on this thread. So, in a purely biological viewpoint:
For an extended period of time, an embryo survives and respirates only through the host's blood, it derives all of its nutritional needs only through the host's blood and will eventually kill the host if not expelled from the host's womb after a certain point in the gestation period. In that sense, you can make a logical comparison.


Now, from a human parent's viewpoint, besides the typical human traits, the embryo/baby is a direct result of procreation consisting of genetic code of both parents' physical traits and that of their family lineages. In short, they are a mixture of each parent and their families. Some consider it a gift from "God" (or whatever entity you may choose to worship- or no entity), while others just consider themselves fortunate to have conceived a baby with no religious affiliations. Still others may not be prepared for such a life-altering event and choose to not follow the pregnancy to term or in some unfortunate cases, were denied the choice of conception. Regardless of religious leanings, all parents can pretty much agree that the birth of their own child is the most important event in their lives.

[bad14u]

an embryo survives and respirates only through the host's blood, it derives all of its nutritional needs only through the host's blood and will eventually kill the host if not expelled from the host's womb

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't parasites act on their own and choose the host that they want to cling to or mutate in to live? An embryo doesn't make that decision.