Now, the government is REALLY starting to scare the shit out of me.

[Primal Instinct]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't parasites act on their own and choose the host that they want to cling to or mutate in to live? An embryo doesn't make that decision.

Don't shoot the messenger, bad14u. You seem to be taking this personally. I have no beef with you and I'm not personally calling embryos or babies parasites so relax. I like kids, lol. It is just a semantical difference that I'm addressing.

Freedom of choice is non-applicable here. Some forms of parasites can be ingested. That is not a conscious decision just like an embryo doesn't make the conscious decison to live where and when it lives. It is a simple biological comparison, nothing more.

Here is the biological definition for parasite from http://dictionary.reference.com:

parasite

1) Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

[bad14u]

Don't shoot the messenger, bad14u. You seem to be taking this personally. I have no beef with you and I'm not personally calling embryos or babies parasites so relax. I like kids, lol. It is just a semantical difference that I'm addressing.

Freedom of choice is non-applicable here. Some forms of parasites can be ingested. That is not a conscious decision just like an embryo doesn't make the conscious decison to live where and when it lives. It is a simple biological comparison, nothing more.

Here is the biological definition for parasite from http://dictionary.reference.com:

parasite

1) Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

PI, it's ok Bro! I'm not taking it personally and I have no beef with you either. I guess I am just astounded that someone, or anyone for that matter, can view an embryo as a parasite.

As for the embryo not contributing anything to the host, you would have to ask a female that has had a child about that. I believe most women would not call their unborn child a parasite. Plus they might say that being pregnant gives them a sense of being and purpose, knowing that the embryo is dependant on them and everything they do will effect the baby.

[Shibby]

You are taking SC's statement into too deep of a level. I read it as PI was saying in the biological sense. The embryeo does take what ever it wants and then the mother gets the rest.

[spidey]

Well after seeing Spidey and Bouncer go at it I would say it's a category 5 hurricane :rofl:

Oh come on people, LOL. I wasn't at any time upset in the least. I was just trying to put forth rational arguments as to why I feel the way I do. I know it's hard sometimes to know what the other person is really saying when you can't see their face or hear their voice but really, I wasn't getting heated at Bouncer or anyone else.

This was a DISCUSSION; not an argument.

[Bouncer]

ya nobody was arguing here. just a discussion.




































spidey is a pussy. :P

[spidey]

.......spidey is a pussy. :P

:fufool: Careful now...don't fuck with mad scientists who own lots of firearms.... :D

[Puddles]

:fufool: Careful now...don't fuck with mad scientists who own lots of firearms.... :D

I met Spidey. Based on the look in his eyes, he doesn't get mad, he IS MAD! ;)

[IntensityX]

ya nobody was arguing here. just a discussion.




































spidey is a pussy. :P

I thought he was an ugly shemale hooker :D

[Cory]

Alternatively, I might come closer to allowing an abortion if it were performed within a week or two of conception, before brain activity can be detected.

Spidey, you keep speaking of it being different before brain activity is detected. What's the difference if the baby is aborted before or after brain activity? I mean, if it's before brain activity, wouldn't the child develop brain activity if allowed to not be aborted. I see no difference. For that matter, every single time a couple has sex and prevents pregnancy through contraceptives, they are essentially aborting a life from possibly being born. Am I not wrong here. So does that mean every time you had sex with a woman and ejaculated inside her, you planned on having that baby? PLEASE....I will never understand this concept...it's hipocritical.

[Cory]

In fact the way I look at this issue is this. Unlike animals who breed instinctively for procreation purposes only, humans were designed to have the intelligence to not only have sex to procreate, but for pleasure as well. With this in mind, it is only natural that humans should also have the choice to do whatever they wish when it comes to family planning. Can you imagine how over populated the world would be if every time people had sex, they were required to have a child. There has to be some natural form of control which I believe should be in the form of abstanence or contraceptives.
I'm not saying at all that I am totally in favor of abotion either here. I'm simply looking at it from a logical standpoint. I am much more in favor of education and prevention at all cost.

[spidey]

Spidey, you keep speaking of it being different before brain activity is detected. What's the difference if the baby is aborted before or after brain activity? I mean, if it's before brain activity, wouldn't the child develop brain activity if allowed to not be aborted. I see no difference. For that matter, every single time a couple has sex and prevents pregnancy through contraceptives, they are essentially aborting a life from possibly being born. Am I not wrong here. So does that mean every time you had sex with a woman and ejaculated inside her, you planned on having that baby? PLEASE....I will never understand this concept...it's hipocritical.

I will try to explain it as logically as I can. I do not see it as hipocritical.

Your point that it would eventually develop brain activity if left alone is neither here nor there. I am not looking at the issue through the lense of religion; I am agnostic. The whole "soul" angle doesn't hold a lot of water with me.

Before it has brain activity, it can not be logically thought of as alive or at least sentient. Your brain determines who you are. You are alive while you have brain activity but not before it develops or after it ceases. The whole debate is about when life begins. I submit that the development of brain activity would be a good definition of life. Before brain activity develops, the fetus is just a conglomeration of cells without feeling or sentience. To ascribe human life to such cells makes as much sense to me as ascribing life to a human cell culture in a petri dish.

As for birth control, you can't kill something that doesn't yet exist. that argument simply doesn't make sense in anything but a religious or philisophical context.

And no, every time I ejaculated inside a woman I was not trying to create a baby. As you know, sex doesn't result in a baby 100% of the time. Just ask couples who have been trying to have children and can't for some reason. There is more to sex than just procreation or it wouldn't be as enjoyable as it is.

In short, the difference between before brain activity develops and after it develops is the difference between a nonsentient group of cells and a baby.

[Cory]

I totally understand what you are trying to say. I still don't see any difference in preventing a life or aborting a life. I'm neither pro-life nor pro-choice. I am in favor of education and proper family planning.

[redsquirrel]

Before it has brain activity, it can not be logically thought of as alive or at least sentient. Your brain determines who you are. You are alive while you have brain activity but not before it develops or after it ceases. The whole debate is about when life begins. I submit that the development of brain activity would be a good definition of life. Before brain activity develops, the fetus is just a conglomeration of cells without feeling or sentience. To ascribe human life to such cells makes as much sense to me as ascribing life to a human cell culture in a petri dish.

I'm really not trying to split hairs here, but I'm just throwing something else into the mix....so, Ok., if life begins at brain activity, then how come the baby couldn't sustain it's own life without the mother?

If a child is a human being once you determine brain activity, then how come the baby couldn't survive outside the womb?

[Governor]

In regards to the Supreme Court nominee, I am ready to pack my bags and go to Canada.


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so you can move to this?

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Internatio...C-RSSFeeds0312

http://canadafreepress.com/2005/kmarsala070805.htm


12 years for three murders?

(sorry, had to be a little anti-canada for a minute)

[Governor]

who own lots of firearms.... :D

to hijack the thread, what kind? I am quite the firearms connoisseur myself.