Pink plates for DUI's ...what do you all think

[go Yankees]

I think the pink (why pink? why not green? or blue?) license plates add a permanence to the offense, which isn't fair in a society that has a criminal justice system predicated on reforming individuals, or even in a Judeo-Christian society bearing principles of forgiveness. Does this mean that someone could have learned his or her lesson, served his time, repaid his debt to society, and still have to wear his conviction on his sleeve? What if you now became the least-likely to drive drunk after your DUI, but had to carry the license plate, while the frat-boy-home-on-winter-break doesn't have one, and makes a habit out of drinking and driving?

just my $.02

Yankees re-signed Hideki Matsui, btw

[beefcake]

I don't know about that. The pink plate indicating a previous (and recent) offence could be taken as probable cause.

True. More reason to be pulled over just to make sure you're not a little tipsy at night.

[Scrumhalf]

Careful.... that's a slippery slope. I know you are well meaning but I frankly don't trust the government or law enforcement to make that subtle distinction between what you are suggesting, and stopping people for random searches for other flimsy reasons. For this reason, I tend to doubt this particular aspect of what is being proposed would pass muster - the courts are going to be a lot more black and white about this with no room for subtle interpretation (as well they should).

[bad14u]

I just think al DUI and sex offenders should be shot and kicked in the throat 22 times:)

:thumbsdow Sex offenders...YES! I am a DUI offender, and I would be willing to bet you are too, but you haven't been caught yet!

[bad14u]

I don't know about that. The pink plate indicating a previous (and recent) offence could be taken as probable cause.

Not probable cause to pull you over but to follow you for sure! Then once you swerve to miss whatever may be in the road that will make them pull you over, make you take the road side subriety test and even if you pass them they might haul your ass to the station to blow! One offence does not warrant a tag!

[Scrumhalf]

Like what other reasons? Just to be a jerk and mess with them? Do you disagree that it would cut down on repeat offenses?

My point is that a previous offence is not cause to give law enforcement carte blanche to do random searches at their discretion.

Let's consider a hypothetical situation - you (and I use the pronoun generically, not at you, Fitnessbrat) get busted for steroid possession because law enforcement intercepted a package for you. You are sentenced, pay your dues, etc. Should law enforcement continue to be given the permission to randomly intercept and search your mail?

I am not an apologist for drunk drivers - just pointing out the inherent unconsitutionality of some of the provisions of the original suggestion.

Do you disagree that it would cut down on repeat offenses?

I have no doubt that it would cut down on repeat offenses. But so will becoming a police state - the ends cannot justify the means in this manner.

[beefcake]

My point is that a previous offence is not cause to give law enforcement carte blanche to do random searches at their discretion.

Let's consider a hypothetical situation - you (and I use the pronoun generically, not at you, Fitnessbrat) get busted for steroid possession because law enforcement intercepted a package for you. You are sentenced, pay your dues, etc. Should law enforcement continue to be given the permission to randomly intercept and search your mail?

I am not an apologist for drunk drivers - just pointing out the inherent unconsitutionality of some of the provisions of the original suggestion.



I have no doubt that it would cut down on repeat offenses. But so will becoming a police state - the ends cannot justify the means in this manner.

Technically, when you get popped for a dui, you're usually sentenced to probation for at least three years also. In that case, there is no consent to search clause. So they can search your home at anytime, so why should your car be any different?

[Starr]

Driving is a privilege, not a right. Therefore, to have these tags is somewhat akin to having to list as a sexual offender. It is fair to the public to be informed of those that might be violating their safety. I am for the the tags, with limited use, based on the situational basis yet to be determined, with an empahsis on safety.

[Puddles]

I am leaning more towards saying yes to pink tags with a time limit.

For most people with DUI's the time that they got caught was not the first time they got behind the wheel and drove intoxicated, it's just the first time they got caught. If they were pink tagged, the police would then be allowed to randomly check them even if there are no visible warning signs that the driver is impaired.

The problem with DUI's is that so many lives are destroyed because of an irresponsible driver. I didn't look up any stats, but I'm willing to guess that a high percentage of DUI's are issued to younger people.

It is against the law to drive intoxicated and maybe the laws need to be more stringent to encourage people to be responsible. It is not just the life of the person drinking, but it's the life of innocent people that needs to be protected.

[Luftdude]

Yea, I think it's a good idea but instead of the license plates, maybe they should use tags like we do for the handicapped here in Texas. And if the DUI offender violates that and tears the tag off the rear-view mirror, we could put a sticker over the TX DPS and TXDOT stickers with large black letters proclaiming this individual to be a DUI.

LD

[bad14u]

I am leaning more towards saying yes to pink tags with a time limit.

For most people with DUI's the time that they got caught was not the first time they got behind the wheel and drove intoxicated, it's just the first time they got caught. If they were pink tagged, the police would then be allowed to randomly check them even if there are no visible warning signs that the driver is impaired.

The problem with DUI's is that so many lives are destroyed because of an irresponsible driver. I didn't look up any stats, but I'm willing to guess that a high percentage of DUI's are issued to younger people.

It is against the law to drive intoxicated and maybe the laws need to be more stringent to encourage people to be responsible. It is not just the life of the person drinking, but it's the life of innocent people that needs to be protected.

Ok...let's say they start putting the PINK tags on vehicles...if Stromba gets his first DUI driving YOUR vehicle....do they tag your car??? Do they tag his car? Maybe they should tag both? Do they tag all vehicles that he has a chance of driving?.?.?.?. All personal cars, business vehicles and household vehicles?

Another thing.....do they tag everyone that has had a DUI conviction? Let's say mine was 2 years ago....do they bring me back in for a tag? If so how far do we go back and say...Hey, you had a DUI back in the 90's you have to put this PINK tag on your car!

If your are a repeat offender or even MAYBE someone that blew well over the legal limit...I would understand...but there will be so many gray areas with this whole thing that they will spend so much time and tax payer dollars in courts trying to decide what rates a PINK tag......

First offence- no one hurt/ no property damage
First offence- one person hurt/ with property damage
First offence- family of five hurt or killed
Second offence- pedestrian killed....

I mean I could go on and on with possibilities but where do I draw the line.....where should they draw the line?

[bad14u]

Dang, you went home and really thought about this, lol
I agree, there's so much to cover, it'll probably never happen. it can not be a case by case decision - it would probaby have to be anyone that gets a DUI conviction. I really doubt they would go back, it would be from the date the law was set.

Like I said this is a hot button issue for me! I was going to post all of that yesterday but the computer techs came in yesterday and swapped out my computer for a new one! They weren't done tranferring everything before I left.

[Puddles]

Tag the driver's vehicle since that's what they drive most of the time. In my case both vehicles are registered to my husband so I'd probably wind up with a pink tag too. Doesn't matter to me. If I'm not drinking and driving then I'm not guilty of anything when I get pulled over.

Yeah, there are a lot of grey areas.

I'm guilty of drinking while intoxicated in the past more times than I care to admit. I never got caught though. I'm lucky I didn't hurt anyone or myself. Had I been caught and pink tagged, I know I would have been more thoughtful after that.

Now if I'm gonna drink we make sure someone's a designated driver. If it's a special occasion and nobody wants to be responsible we rent a limo and go out. Most of the time our parties are at home now and just friends sleep over.

[Gainward]

So i was thinkin today, would this mean that George W. would have to put a pink tag on his car? :hmmm:

[SloppyJo]

So i was thinkin today, would this mean that George W. would have to put a pink tag on his car? :hmmm:

Yeah, since he lives in Florida :rolleyes: and since that happened what, 30 years ago...