Chiropractic Care = Strength Gain ?

[babyblues]

I never stated any figures. However, I can go off of personal experience as well as the medical science pertaining to chiropractic practice. If you want more look it up wise ass.

Hmmm, because nobody else had done that besides you. Right. I am also going off of personal experience and I have looked it up. How the hell do you think I know what I posted?

What about what this guy has to say? Or is he just spreading some propoganda because he stands to profit from it? I guess he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Nope. Because he hasn't ever studied the medical science pertaining to chiropractic practice. Sure, if you say so.

I'm in chiro school right now and we're being taught that your spine can be misaligned for a long time before you feel pain. My advice, find a reputable chiropractor and go for regular check ups.

[FitnessBrat]

Wow - neat how SOB only asked if anyone else "experienced" similarities to his.....

[coffee-guy]

I preferred BLM's original words - much more interesting things could have come from them...

[blm]

Hmmm, because nobody else had done that besides you. Right. I am also going off of personal experience and I have looked it up. How the hell do you think I know what I posted?

What about what this guy has to say? Or is he just spreading some propoganda because he stands to profit from it? I guess he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Nope. Because he hasn't ever studied the medical science pertaining to chiropractic practice. Sure, if you say so.

lol...my bad man. I had a late and miserable night at work and I came off like a dick (as I intended, lol) but I failed to see your initial response. I was being sarcastic on my original reply. I full heartedly believe in chiro. Actually, I was suppose to be attending Palmer this fall until I ran out of funds last year and had to come back into the workforce full time.

You're still a dick ;)

[blm]

I preferred BLM's original response - much more interesting things could have come from them...

lol

[babyblues]

lol...my bad man. I had a late and miserable night at work and I came off like a dick (as I intended, lol) but I failed to see your initial response. I was being sarcastic on my original reply. I full heartedly believe in chiro. Actually, I was suppose to be attending Palmer this fall until I ran out of funds last year and had to come back into the workforce full time.

You're still a dick ;)

I'm always a dick. :D

[Wolfhound]

What about what this guy has to say? Or is he just spreading some propoganda because he stands to profit from it? I guess he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Nope. Because he hasn't ever studied the medical science pertaining to chiropractic practice. Sure, if you say so.

No propaganda at all. I'll be the first to admit there are good chiros and bad chiros. A good one will check to make sure you are always lined up at your visits. It doesn't mean he has to adjust you. The bad ones will crank on you every visit even if you don't need it.

Hey Sonobone,
Do you have a current physical therapy class schedule with a chiro lab in it from anywhere? I can believe it but there are so many medical doctors that still deny chiropractic even works.

[SonofBone]

Hey Sonobone,
Do you have a current physical therapy class schedule with a chiro lab in it from anywhere? I can believe it but there are so many medical doctors that still deny chiropractic even works.

I do not. I emailed my friend to see if he can provide something. I'm just a lowly computer nerd. :nerdnew: If I get something, I'll pass it on.

Anyway, in time, I'm guessing that this stigma will start to pass as D.O.s become more widely spread. They perform manipulations and they've been taught much of the same information as M.D.s.

My girlfriend, a MD, completed her 4th year of OB/GYN residency in June, and she had a few D.O.'s in her program. She never thought any less of the work they performed. However, she is now in a fellowship, and she believes that one of the D.O.s who is interested in a fellowship may not have the opportunity because she is a D.O. and M.D.'s are in charge of the fellowships. This is not to say that she doesn't think she is qualified and that she CAN'T get in because she thinks she is wonderful...just that it'll be a harder to be accepted on paper.

Here is a good comparison for M.D. & D.O. in case anyone is interested.DO vs. MD

[bonebreaker]

The chiropractic profession continues to define itself as a method of correcting subluxations to restore and maintain health, despite the fact that there are no scientific studies to indicate that vertebral misalignment or any other problem in the spine is a cause of disease or infection. Basing their treatment on the vertebral subluxation theory, many chiropractors claim to be primary care physicians capable of treating and preventing a broad scope of human (and animal) ailments.

I thought I'd pull this part of the sentence out for clairity------- "Many Chiropractors CLAIM to be primary care physicians capable of treating and preventing a broad scope of human (and animal) ailments". And that there are no scientific studies to prove otherwise. I didn't mean to start an argument here, I just voiced my opinion. Working on a newborn baby, to me, however, is simply ludicrous!!

BTW, the comment about 95% of all healing being faith driven, is an arbitrary number. However, I think the way people think about getting better when sick or injured plays a large role in their recovery. I think the more positive you are about getting better, the quicker you will do so. Thus, the mind over matter thingy. No slams on anybody, everybody has their beliefs and opinions, this one just happens to be mine. BB

[Wolfhound]

I thought I'd pull this part of the sentence out for clairity------- "Many Chiropractors CLAIM to be primary care physicians capable of treating and preventing a broad scope of human (and animal) ailments". BB

Could you do me a favor and pull out the source of your info. Most medical journals I've read don't state facts and then conclude with opinions.


ETA: Sorry - you're messed up quotes were killing me

[babyblues]

No propaganda at all. I'll be the first to admit there are good chiros and bad chiros. A good one will check to make sure you are always lined up at your visits. It doesn't mean he has to adjust you. The bad ones will crank on you every visit even if you don't need it.

I was being sarcastic when I quoted you before. :D My chiro checks my spine to see what needs to be adjusted before he does anything. If it doesn't need to be adjusted, he doesn't do anything. He also does re-exams every 6 months to see how your muscles are responding.

[bonebreaker]

Could you do me a favor and pull out the source of your info. Most medical journals I've read don't state facts and then conclude with opinions.


ETA: Sorry - you're messed up quotes were killing me

Chiropractic: Does the Bad Outweigh the Good?
Samuel Homola, D.C.
Many people go to chiropractors for relief of back pain. But there is reason for caution. Much of what chiropractors do is nonsense, and they often misinform their patients.

Do you need to see a chiropractor? Many people think they do. Just about everyone thinks of a chiropractor when back pain is mentioned. There is considerable evidence that spinal manipulation can help relieve some types of neck and back pain. But neck manipulation can be dangerous. And according to a study published in the October 8, 1998, New England Journal of Medicine, spinal manipulation may be no more effective than physical therapy in the treatment of back pain and only marginally more effective than following a self-help instruction booklet. So what about chiropractic treatment? [1] Should you -- or any member of your family -- ever go to a chiropractor?

There is no doubt that dramatic relief of back pain will occasionally occur when manipulation is used to unlock a binding spinal joint. Many people with acute or chronic back pain experience relief of symptoms when the spine is loosened by manipulation performed by a chiropractor, an osteopath, a physical therapist, or an orthopedist. Manipulation is most readily available from chiropractors, however, and a report issued by the RAND Corporation stated that 94% of all such manipulation in the United States is done by chiropractors [2]. For this reason, many people who have back pain will visit a chiropractic office where they will experience spinal manipulation for the first time.

A survey of Consumer Reports readers published in May 2000 found that 35% of 46,860 respondents had used alternative therapies for a variety of problems, 40% of whom had chiropractic treatment for back pain [3]. The back-pain patients rated deep-tissue massage, chiropractic treatment, exercise, and physical therapy (in that order) as more effective than prescription drugs, acupuncture, over-the-counter drugs, and other forms of treatment.

Obviously, many people with back pain are going to chiropractors, and most of them are satisfied with the care they receive. But many are unaware of the controversy and the nonsense associated with some forms of chiropractic treatment and often become victims of misinformation.

The Theory of Chiropractic
It is now generally accepted that spinal manipulation can relieve some types of back pain. Most chiropractors claim to do more than just treat back pain, however. Clinging to the scientifically rejected theory that misasligned or "subluxated" vertebrae cause "nerve interference" that results in disease or ill health, many chiropractors use "spinal adjustments" to treat disease and infection as well as back pain. The Association of Chiropractic Colleges bolstered support for this theory in 1996 when the presidents of all 16 North American chiropractic colleges reached a consensus and issued a position paper stating that "Chiropractic is concerned with the preservation and restoration of health, and focuses particular attention on the subluxation." [4].

The chiropractic profession continues to define itself as a method of correcting subluxations to restore and maintain health, despite the fact that there are no scientific studies to indicate that vertebral misalignment or any other problem in the spine is a cause of disease or infection. Basing their treatment on the vertebral subluxation theory, many chiropractors claim to be primary care physicians capable of treating and preventing a broad scope of human (and animal) ailments.

Some chiropractors advise that spinal adjustments should begin at birth to correct subluxations caused by "birth trauma." The entire family may be advised to undergo regular life-long spinal adjustments in order to maintain optimum health by "keeping the spine in line." Some chiropractors specialize in chiropractic pediatrics. According to the American Chiropractic Association, 10% of patient visits to chiropractors are made by children and adolescents who are treated for such maladies as otitis media, asthma, allergies, infantile colic, and enuresis (bedwetting). [5] An article in the April 2000 Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine warned that chiropractic pediatric care is often inconsistent with recommended medical guidelines. [6] "When I contemplate a chiropractor treating a 2-week-old neonate with a fever," said the editor in a sidebar comment, "I get a gigantic headache."

Studies conducted by chiropractors and published in "peer reviewed" chiropractic journals often recommend treatment for such conditions as infantile colic and asthma. A study published in the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics for example, concluded that "Spinal manipulation is effective in relieving infantile colic" [7] -- a conclusion not confirmed with reliable, unbiased research and recently refuted by a well designed study by a Norwegian research team [8].

When medical researchers tested chiropractic manipulation as a treatment of asthma in children, they reported that "the addition of chiropractic spinal manipulation to usual medical care provided no benefit." [9] Although chiropractic manipulation can be beneficial in the treatment of some types of neck and back pain, I always advise parents not to take their infants and children to a chiropractor, since the risk may outweigh any benefit.

Limitations of Chiropractic
Since chiropractors work on the back, most people think of the chiropractor as a back specialist. But when back-pain victims visit a chiropractic office, they may be given pamphlets suggesting that chiropractic treatment is also beneficial for asthma, infantile colic, ear infection, digestive disturbances, and a host of other organic or visceral problems. There are many good chiropractors who do a good job treating back pain, but few voluntarily limit their treatment to the care of back pain. Chiropractic colleges are still teaching the theory that using spinal adjustments to correct vertebral subluxations will restore and maintain health. Unless you see a chiropractor who has been recommended by an orthopedic specialist or who works with physicians in a back-pain clinic, your chances of finding a properly limited chiropractor are slim. Poorly informed consumers may not know where to draw the line when they visit a chiropractor.

"That spinal manipulation is somewhat effective symptomatic therapy for some patients with acute low back pain is, I believe, no longer in dispute," said the editorial in the New England Journal of Medicine [10]. But "there appears to be little evidence to support the value of spinal manipulation for non-musculoskeletal conditions. For this reason, I think it is currently inappropriate to consider chiropractic as a broad-based alternative to traditional medical care."