ASPCA & Dog fighting

[FitnessBrat]

Oh man wow.Ok im from the south.Ive been to many dog Fights.I know Micheal Vick,or Ive meet him several times.Ive never seen or heard of dogs fighting to the death.That is total BS.These dogs are athletes and were breed for this.There not trained,there not feed weaker dogs to practice as the media would want you to think.A dog fight is conducted under strict rules.The winner is the dog that will scratch.Scratch being that after a dog turns.Turning is showing a sign of retreat.they are broken up.The dog who turned is released .he has 10 seconds to mouth the other dog.Mouth=bite.if he doesnt he loses.Not to let a Game Pit fight.,Hence GAME,Is like keeping a race horse pinned up.They are a few,I guess,that misstreat the dogs and go to far.Just like they are misinformed juice users who use to much have complications and make us all look bad.Dont get brain washed by the media Peta or other groups.

Wait, who did you say was "brainwashed"?

[FitnessBrat]

I know this thread is NOT a debate about the good or bad in dogfighting, so I apologize in advance RS. However, I think education is the first step, and the post above is a prime example of the lack of...

Dogfighting Fact Sheet (from The Humane Society)



1. What is dogfighting?
Dogfighting is a sadistic "contest" in which two dogs—specifically bred, conditioned, and trained to fight—are placed in a pit (generally a small arena enclosed by plywood walls) to fight each other, for the spectators' gambling and entertainment. Fights average nearly an hour in length and often last more than two hours. Dogfights end when one of the dogs is no longer willing or able to continue. In addition to these dogfights, there are reports of an increase in unorganized, more spontaneous street fights in urban areas.

2. How does it cause animal suffering?

The injuries inflicted and sustained by dogs participating in dogfights are frequently severe, even fatal. The American pit bull terriers used in the majority of these fights have been specifically bred and trained for fighting and are unrelenting in their attempts to overcome their opponents. With their extremely powerful jaws, they are able to inflict severe bruising, deep puncture wounds, and broken bones.

Dogs used in these events often die of blood loss, shock, dehydration, exhaustion, or infection hours or even days after the fight. Other animals are often sacrificed as well. Some owners train their dogs for fights using smaller animals such as cats, rabbits, or small dogs. These "bait" animals are often stolen pets or animals obtained through "free to good home" advertisements.

3. Are there other concerns?
Yes. Numerous law enforcement raids have unearthed many disturbing facets of this illegal "sport." Young children are sometimes present at the events, which can promote insensitivity to animal suffering, enthusiasm for violence, and a lack of respect for the law. Illegal gambling is the norm at dogfights. Dog owners and spectators wager thousands of dollars on their favorites. Firearms and other weapons have been found at dogfights because of the large amounts of cash present. And dogfighting has been connected to other kinds of violence—even homicide, according to newspaper reports. In addition, illegal drugs are often sold and used at dogfights.

4. What other effects does the presence of dogfighting have on people and animals in a community?

Dogs used for fighting have been bred for many generations to be dangerously aggressive toward other animals. The presence of these dogs in a community increases the risk of attacks not only on other animals but also on people. Children are especially at risk, because their small size may cause a fighting dog to perceive a child as another animal.

5. Why should dogfighting be a felony offense?
There are several compelling reasons. Because dogfighting yields such large profits for participants, the minor penalties associated with misdemeanor convictions are not a sufficient deterrent. Dogfighters merely absorb these fines as part of the cost of doing business. The cruelty inherent in dogfighting should be punished by more than a slap on the hand. Dogfighting is not a spur-of-the-moment act; it is a premeditated and cruel practice.

Those involved in dogfighting go to extensive lengths to avoid detection by law enforcement, so investigations can be difficult, dangerous, and expensive. Law enforcement officials are more inclined to investigate dogfighting if it is a felony. As more states make dogfighting a felony offense, those remaining states with low penalties will become magnets for dogfighters.

6. Do some states already have felony laws?
Yes. Dogfighting is illegal in all 50 states and a felony offense in almost every state.

7. Should being a spectator also be a felony?

Yes. Spectators provide much of the profit associated with dogfighting. The money generated by admission fees and gambling helps keep this "sport" alive. Because dogfights are illegal and therefore not widely publicized, spectators do not merely happen upon a fight; they seek it out. They are willing participants who support a criminal activity through their paid admission and attendance.

8. What can I do to help stop dogfighting?

If you live in one of the states where dogfighting is still only a misdemeanor, please write to your state legislators and urge them to make it a felony. To find out how your state treats dogfighting, visit our page on State Dogfighting Laws.

We encourage you also to write letters to the media to increase public awareness of the dangers of dogfighting and to law enforcement officials to urge them to take the issue seriously. We have provided sample letters in this packet. You may want to display our dogfighting poster in your community; additional copies can be ordered from The HSUS.

If you suspect that dogfighting is going on in your own neighborhood, alert your local law enforcement agency and urge agency officials to contact The HSUS for practical tools, advice, and assistance.

[FitnessBrat]

This is the Humane Society's fight against animal fighting campaign. It says you can get pamphlets and posters about prevention. Also encourages people to write letters, etc.


http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/anima...e_final_round/

[Gods Son]

maam I apologize but that so called fact sheet was written by the human society.What does the FDA say about gear use?Did you know dog seized from dog fighters are killed by the human society??? Pot calling keetle black i think.

[Gods Son]

I understand you want to help and you should if itll make you feel better.There are just a lot of misconceptions.I never saw a dog killed.I never saw a dog badly mangled.IT DOESNT HAPPEN.5 of the 8 points the HS is trying to make are False.I promise

[FitnessBrat]

maam I apologize but that so called fact sheet was written by the human society.What does the FDA say about gear use?Im very in the know on dog fighting.Did you know dog seized from dog fighters are killed by the human society??? Pot calling keetle black i think.

Of course it was - they are the ones fighting to prevent the sport. The FDA says AAS is illegal - and it is, and there are people trying to prevent sales/usage. Don't act like there have NOT been cases where people HAVE been harmed by AAS usage. However, this is about animal cruelty. You and I choose to ingest illegal substances - your dog does not get those choices. I DO know that dogs are euthanized after being bred to fight - they are aggressive and can be a real danger to people and other animals. I own dogs, pits in particular - there is no way I would adopt a dog bred for fighting/an "ex" fighter into my home with my children.

[FitnessBrat]

I understand you want to help and you should if itll make you feel better.There are just a lot of misconceptions.It is a brutal sport,it is illegal.Ive been around it since 85 i guess.I never saw a dog killed.I never saw a dog badly mangled.IT DOESNT HAPPEN.5 of the 8 points the HS is trying to make are False.I promise

Say we take out the death factor (although there are plenty of reported cases, photos, etc that it does happen). The fact is you are paying/watching innocent dogs made to fight/bleed/hurt/harm - that is just not cool. It is our responsibility to take care of animals - not harm them. If you want to watch a fight - watch people - at least they were given the option.....

[beefcake]

Say we take out the death factor (although there are plenty of reported cases, photos, etc that it does happen). The fact is you are paying/watching innocent dogs made to fight/bleed/hurt/harm - that is just not cool. It is our responsibility to take care of animals - not harm them. If you want to watch a fight - watch people - at least they were given the option.....

What about conan? He never got a choice. But he didn't want krom to cast him out of valhalla. LOL. This is turning into the dispute that red didn't want.

[FitnessBrat]

What about conan? He never got a choice. But he didn't want krom to cast him out of valhalla. LOL. This is turning into the dispute that red didn't want.

I posted sites/information about prevention - unfortunately not everyone read her post about this NOT being a debate about why it's "okay" to fight dogs. I apologized in advance because I find it ridiculous to read that animals are not done any harm by fighting - if that were the case it wouldn't be "fun" for these sadists.

[Gods Son]

My last point and all i will say is.Dogs being breed or trained or taught to fight is a MYTH.Its the nature of the Pit.Of course the purer the breed the better at combat.This is ridiculous.Sorry Red Squirell. Mr.Vicks a big name thats the only reason its getting covered.I know lots of celebs who do it.Roy Jones Jr., These have admitted publically i wont call names on those who havent admitted it but ill give hints.....many more.................The cruelest thing done to dogs is holding them captive.They arent naturally domestic.If you have a dog in a fence.Chain or locked in your house that is imprisonment....

[beefcake]

I posted sites/information about prevention - unfortunately not everyone read her post about this NOT being a debate about why it's "okay" to fight dogs. I apologized in advance because I find it ridiculous to read that animals are not done any harm by fighting - if that were the case it wouldn't be "fun" for these sadists.

Not pointing the finger at you or saying you started it. I just see it going there though.

[Bouncer]

Ok im from the south.

my point is proven. :breakit:

[redsquirrel]

FB- don't worry about it. Actually, the more info people have, the better decisions they can make. The info in this thread someone will hopefully read and get just as angry about it as I am.

[blm]

Have you tried checking with PITA?

What exactly would flatbread do to resolve this issue? :rofl:

[Shibby]

those fucking people do more harm then good. they are border line terrorist.

I just thought they may know some ways to monitor or find out about dog fights.