Bringing the troops home - a friendly discussion.

[blm]

^^^^ that's awesome, lol

[Shibby]

Religion is the root of all evil it seems. Religious fanatics are the most corrupt people. If only jesus knew what was going to happen.

I love that picture.

[Bouncer]

gods son wont like that one. lol

[Kayak Jones]

Someone said the terrorists are like cockroaches. What do you do when you want to rid a house of cockroaches? Well down here in Texas we leave the house for a day or so but on the way out the door we gas the whole stinking place with bug bombs. If a couple of em works good, then a bunch works better. Yep, we also killed the spiders, the ants, flies, and pretty much any other vermin that lived there but collateral damage is inevitable. If you use the right stuff, then the residual kills off the eggs as well. Some of em may eventually come back, so the treatment should be applied as needed. Draw your own conclusions.

[babyblues]

what perturbs me is the lack of progress on the part of the iragi government in that they've failed to reach any major milestones set before them. they haven't created a cohesive government, and they don't really have a need to while we're still there. I think the threat of pulling out would light a fire under their asses and they may actually then get something done.

I think you hit the nail right on the head. At some point we have to let the Iraqi government find their own way. We did it 230 years ago. We even had our own civil war. Do you realize we lost more men in the Civil War than in all other wars combined? We still have some Confederates at heart who still think the "South" was right. Hell, there's even a book by that name, "The South Was Right!" We had the help of France in the War of Independence, but we survived against the greatest fighting force in the world at that time, and we survived our Civil War and became the greatest nation in the world. Would we have let some cocky ass sons of bitches come in and tell us how to run our country? Isn't that what the Pilgrims were trying to escape when they came here in the first place? Well, supposedly....money was part of it too. They thought they were going to get rich. Anyway....my point is that you might be surprised what the Iraqi government could accomplish if we weren't around to hold their hand the whole time. Let them figure it out.

So we went in and ousted Sadam. OK, now we give the country to the Iraqi people and get the fuck out.

[coffee-guy]

Someone said the terrorists are like cockroaches. What do you do when you want to rid a house of cockroaches? Well down here in Texas we leave the house for a day or so but on the way out the door we gas the whole stinking place with bug bombs. If a couple of em works good, then a bunch works better. Yep, we also killed the spiders, the ants, flies, and pretty much any other vermin that lived there but collateral damage is inevitable. If you use the right stuff, then the residual kills off the eggs as well. Some of em may eventually come back, so the treatment should be applied as needed. Draw your own conclusions.

Ahahahaha - I love that mindset - my grandpa used to do this at our lakehouse like 12 times a year - I think he enjoyed it way too much :D...

[trip]

lol, beefcake, one could say in ancient times, god was a creation of leaders, to supply answers to mysteries to the commoners, which they used to exert propoganda power over too control them, and heck, in certain ways it hadda be back that too have any cohesiveness to survive

i'm not anti-religion, actually very spiritual, just pointing out different way of looking at it

all other good posts

and no,i'm not offended by anything, i'm abiding by bouncers request, civility

i'm busy today

analogy: terrorists are just communists in burkhas who don't have a country

work on that, lol

[NewbieChris]

what does he do? he whips up the troops, sets a big humoungous goal, whoop number one, usa, cause they let our bro's die in afgany, and they believe in church and state being seperate

I completely disagree with this asssertion. The idea that they are going after us for the soul reason that we do not want a religion to be the state government is flawed in the sense that we actually do allow the church to influece our government. In addition, its more along the lines of say, a specfic religion. I believe the entire conflict began when Israel was formed. With the removal of then occupying people you create anger and jealousy. Israel was formed in sorts with the idea of emminant domain. The displaced people were paid for their land, but how happy are you when someone says we'll pay you for your property, but you have to get out. The idea that some group of people in this world has more claim to land than the person currently occupying it is completely stupid. It is actually an international reality that the current population that occupies a land mass is the soul controller and the only way to viably remove them is to take it by force and then whos angry at who? COME ON!!! How happy would you be if the world all of a sudden said, "American's, we're paying x dollars find a new place to live." There are far more people who have a 'prior claim' to this land than its current inhabitants.

[brplaya171]

dude.. this war is a way for richer people to get richer.. it went from lies about weapons to mass destruction that were never found to now we r there n we cant just leave them.. bro i dont even know where to start on this war subject.. i just got out of the army about a yr ago, n ive lost close friends out there.. if u ask me, bring the boys home, we r not out there for bush, we r out there for ourselves.. n its very unfortionally that we gotta be out there sitting ducks..

[Mr I]

Where is Control in this thread?

[trip]

newbiechris,

right on on the israel issue, that was the beginning of mucho unintended consequences that now have proliferated generations

on the reason, to rally a group u have to have a specific reason, so i was just generalizing as to osama's rally call and why, it's a generalization on my part to spark thinking, bottom line the guys a nut job, most likely sociopath or somethig

[hlcn8]

I think you hit the nail right on the head. At some point we have to let the Iraqi government find their own way. We did it 230 years ago. We even had our own civil war. Do you realize we lost more men in the Civil War than in all other wars combined? We still have some Confederates at heart who still think the "South" was right. Hell, there's even a book by that name, "The South Was Right!" We had the help of France in the War of Independence, but we survived against the greatest fighting force in the world at that time, and we survived our Civil War and became the greatest nation in the world. Would we have let some cocky ass sons of bitches come in and tell us how to run our country? Isn't that what the Pilgrims were trying to escape when they came here in the first place? Well, supposedly....money was part of it too. They thought they were going to get rich. Anyway....my point is that you might be surprised what the Iraqi government could accomplish if we weren't around to hold their hand the whole time. Let them figure it out.

So we went in and ousted Sadam. OK, now we give the country to the Iraqi people and get the fuck out.

yup... my train of thought at this time is that we ( by we I mean our "leadership," not our population) don't want the country to be able to handle itself... we want our hand in the cookie jar instead.

[NYCmitch25]

The cost of war.

Its not cheap. keep in mind this is the typical pro-democratic antiwar propoganda.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/pol...n.cost.war.cnn

$10,000,000,000 a month in Iraq
$2,000,000,000 a month in Afgan

Total = $758 billion (not including the other anti-terror or homeland security costs).

[Bouncer]

Its not cheap. keep in mind this is the typical pro-democratic antiwar propoganda.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/pol...n.cost.war.cnn

$10,000,000,000 a month in Iraq
$2,000,000,000 a month in Afgan

Total = $758 billion (not including the other anti-terror or homeland security costs).

just imagine all the good that $758 billion could have done if it was spent for the right reasons.

[babyblues]

just imagine all the good that $758 billion could have done if it was spent for the right reasons.

Like building a wall across our southern border to keep the Mexicans out. :laughnew:

Seriously though, just the interest on that much money would be more than most people would even know what to do with.