Apocalypto!!!

[babyblues]

archeology never disproved the movie terminator either.

And apples aren't oranges. The logic doesn't hold. :)

[The_Grinder]

There are actually a lot of events in the bible that have been proven be science to be accurate and in the correct time frame. More than most think actually. As far as the supernatural parts, that is up to the person and what they believe.

[Bouncer]

Do you know the definition of Religion?

yep, it is what i believe in.

your definition may be different. your definition may involve following something blindly because millions of others do. its ok to be a follower bro. i am cool with your choice. :D

[Bouncer]

And apples aren't oranges. The logic doesn't hold. :)

neither does yours. the only difference is, people are smart enough to know that terminator is not real. for some reason though, people aren't smart enough to see that about the bible.

[Bouncer]

There are actually a lot of events in the bible that have been proven be science to be accurate and in the correct time frame. More than most think actually. As far as the supernatural parts, that is up to the person and what they believe.

there are some things that are true from the movie terminator. for example, in the movie, they show people walking on their feet. i believe that has been proven by science.

[babyblues]

what proof is there that things they wrote are true?

Many of the people, places and events that they wrote about have been verified. There are literally volumes upon volumes of archeological text. Here are some websites.

http://www.facingthechallenge.org/arch2.php

http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html

http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/bib-qur/bibarch.htm

http://www.probe.org/content/view/494/157/

I realize some will say that the writers are already biased, but why write about something you don't believe in?

[Bouncer]

ummm...I think Terminator was NOT the only movie walking on their feet:rofl:

ya, so every fairytale or fake movie that has people walking has parts of it been proven by science. thats the point.

[babyblues]

neither does yours. the only difference is, people are smart enough to know that terminator is not real. for some reason though, people aren't smart enough to see that about the bible.

But that's like saying that people who don't see the Bible is true are too dumb to understand it. You wouldn't accept that explanation, would you?

[Bouncer]

Many of the people, places and events that they wrote about have been verified. There are literally volumes upon volumes of archeological text. Here are some websites.

http://www.facingthechallenge.org/arch2.php

http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html

http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/bib-qur/bibarch.htm

http://www.probe.org/content/view/494/157/

I realize some will say that the writers are already biased, but why write about something you don't believe in?

so what. places and events from those people lives have been verified. i can write a book about New Jersey and my religion. it can be verified in thousands of years that new jersey did exist. does that make me some kind of Holy man? lol.

[Bouncer]

But that's like saying that people who don't see the Bible is true are too dumb to understand it. You wouldn't accept that explanation, would you?

i wouldn't say they are dumb. i think it has been pounded into their head for so long and it is so accepted by society that they simply cannot see it any other way. i also think people are afraid to see it any other way. maybe if you dont believe you are going to hell ect..

there is no better way to get power then to make people scared. bible = agenda. words like "wrath of god" "god fearing" ect.. that is like me coming to your house and threating your life. you might change your views on a few things. that is a man made agenda bro. my god would never want anyone to fear him.

[babyblues]

so what. places and events from those people lives have been verified. i can right a book about New Jersey and my religion. it can be verified in thousands of years that new jersey did exist. does that make me some kind of Holy man? lol.

But didn't you say that the Bible was a made up story? You're right. That doesn't prove that it is true. What does it prove? That real people wrote about real things. If these people over thousands of years were making it up, wouldn't it stand to reason that many of the facts would be amiss? People who write movie scripts based on historical events get many of the facts wrong. True, it's not meant to be real, but even the real, historical parts are messed up. If the Bible were the same, the historical people, places, titles and events would logically get misconstrued to suit the purposes of the writer. But it all fits together historically. It suggests that maybe it's worth considering that even the miracles and things not easily explained also happened. You can't write a story of fiction with the level of hsitorical accuracy in the Bible. Somewhere the story of fiction will require you to change facts of history.

There are over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament about the "Messiah". All of those prophecies were fulfilled in one man, Jesus. How can that happen? Hundreds of prophecies over thousands of years all fulfilled in one man? You can say, How do we know they were really prophecies? A study of the language and grammer and word usage reveal that they were. How do we know Jesus wasn't faking it? How do we know the Christian community didn't create a "Messiah" to fulfill those prophecies? In order to fulfill all of those hundreds of prophecies, you would need the cooperation of every single person involved in the life and death of Jesus. That would mean that the Romans were also in on the plan. That kind of collusion would be evidenced somewhere. You can't hide something that big. Who orchestrated it? Who made sure everyone kept silent? Throughout all of history since then, why has no evidence to support such a widespread deception? This website goes into more detail than I can here.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prophchr.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...rophecies.html

[Bouncer]

i do understand what your saying babyblues and let me clarify. i understand their are real people talking about real events. i don't doubt that. my whole argument with the bible is that people take it as the word of god. they will say, "well the bible says this so I know its true." that is my problem with it. god had nothing to do with the bible. it was a story from people that lived at that time.

there are many good guidelines to live by. just general good will towards others type stuff. but god didnt give the guy who wrote it those words, he made them up.

[babyblues]

there is no better way to get power then to make people scared. bible = agenda. words like "wrath of god" "god fearing" ect.. that is like me coming to your house and threating your life. you might change your views on a few things. that is a man made agenda bro. my god would never want anyone to fear him.

Let me ask you something. Were you ever afraid of what your parents would do when they found out you had done something really bad? I'm sure most parents don't want their kids to be afraid of them, but there is an element of fear that precedes discipline. There is an element of fear that goes along with respect. That's just the way it is. It wasn't created to control. The Bible isn't meant to make people afraid of God, but respectful of Him. I respect the cops, but my heartrate goes up every time I get pulled over, because that authority to punish is scary. Scary but necessary.

If the Bible says that Jesus really was God and he really did come to die for the sin of the world, why would He want people to be afraid of Him?

[babyblues]

i do understand what your saying babyblues and let me clarify. i understand their are real people talking about real events. i don't doubt that. my whole argument with the bible is that people take it as the word of god. they will say, "well the bible says this so I know its true." that is my problem with it. god had nothing to do with the bible. it was a story from people that lived at that time.

there are many good guidelines to live by. just general good will towards others type stuff. but god didnt give the guy who wrote it those words, he made them up.

OK, fair enough. I've said my piece, I'll leave it be.

[Bouncer]

Let me ask you something. Were you ever afraid of what your parents would do when they found out you had done something really bad? I'm sure most parents don't want their kids to be afraid of them, but there is an element of fear that precedes discipline. There is an element of fear that goes along with respect. That's just the way it is. It wasn't created to control. The Bible isn't meant to make people afraid of God, but respectful of Him. I respect the cops, but my heartrate goes up every time I get pulled over, because that authority to punish is scary. Scary but necessary.

If the Bible says that Jesus really was God and he really did come to die for the sin of the world, why would He want people to be afraid of Him?

me and you will never agree on this subject. you cant see what i see and i cant see what you see.

you talk about jesus dieing for the sin of the world. why would a father kill his son for others sins. keep in mind the people that are doing the sinning, god created...

take a step back for a second and just look at the whole picture. your not going to hell if you open your mind a little.