Apocalypto!!!

[Bouncer]

John 3:16 sums this up for you:) He gave up his sons so that we could be forgiven...As long that we have flesh, we live in sin.

why would we need to be forgiven? god created flesh. if anyone sinned, god did for creating us.

give me a real answer instead of what bob 4:99 says. lol

[Bouncer]

He gave up his sons so that we could be forgiven...As long that we have flesh, we live in sin.

this is what i am talking about. why cant anyone else see how stupid this reasoning is? why do i seem to be the only one on the planet that looks at that and says, "what the fuck"? lol

[Bouncer]

To you, there is no real answer...You could have the Pope telling you something and you would still debate with him on this subject:)

LMAO, a pope!!! so in your mind, because a pope is telling you something, its is absolute fact. open your eyes rado. thats like saying, president bush told you something so it must be true. lol.

[Bouncer]

No man...lol...I keep arguing with a wall here...It was just an example...Kind of like if you and I talked about let's just say tracing people...I'm far more experienced in this field than you are..So by you debating this with me, would do you no good...And vice versa on HD tv's with you...You know your HDTV and I do not...So I ask you for advice on it and take it for what it's worth:)

that rant made no sense at all but..

can you honestly not see my point when i said this, "why would we need to be forgiven? god created flesh. if anyone sinned, god did for creating us."

if you cannot see or understand what i am saying there, that is really sad. how deep do you have to stick your head in the sand to not see that.

[Bouncer]

rado, you simply cant answer the question. you see the irony . and yet instead of admitting it, you brush it off and avoid it.

[Bouncer]

You said,

"John 3:16 sums this up for you, He gave up his sons so that we could be forgiven...As long that we have flesh, we live in sin."

I said,

"why would we need to be forgiven? god created flesh. if anyone sinned, god did for creating us."

Instead of not answering or avoiding, I want those who choose to believe in this stuff to give me some kind of explanation.

[Bouncer]

No B...It's just that no matter what I say, you will disagree...what's the point here? It doesn't matter what I say, BB, SH, etc...You will find something to disagree on...You are the one that doesn't get it...You're trying to convince yourself that you live in caveman era and that's fine with me...maybe you should try out for the Geico commercial;)

caveman era? so god didn't exist then? lol.

you bring up a good point though. people talk about the bible being around a long time. the earth has been here for billions of years. why are humans so ignorant to think that god and jesus and religion in general are all based around us and in the last few thousand years.

early man didnt have religion. they worried about surviving. only when man had a little more time on his hands to think this stuff up did religion come in to play.

[Bouncer]

i think its clear to everyone rado that you simply have no clue about what you think you believe in. you are a blind follower and that is ok. :)

talk on the phone? has nothing to do with anything in this thread. stop trying to avoid the question or get in the last word. simply stop replying if you dont have the answer or dont want to accept that I may be right.

[Bouncer]

I guess it's hard for me to explain it to you unless I called you...Certain things I can explain better in person rather than to be here on the net and type...I know what you're trying to ask me and what answer you want bro...I'm better explaining it in person than typing this out...

:hmm:

[Bouncer]

lol...you remind me of that boy who thinks he's superman and nothing can be done right unless it's his way; but then again this is your board:) Like I said; you think what Bouncer wants ok little boy:)

[babyblues]

You said,

"John 3:16 sums this up for you, He gave up his sons so that we could be forgiven...As long that we have flesh, we live in sin."

I said,

"why would we need to be forgiven? god created flesh. if anyone sinned, god did for creating us."

Instead of not answering or avoiding, I want those who choose to believe in this stuff to give me some kind of explanation.

By "flesh" we mean, sinful nature or tendencies. The thing is that God didn't make humans that way. Now, according to the Bible, Adam and Eve were created without the knowledge of right and wrong, without even knowing what sin was. God walked and talked with them in the Garden of Eden. They were just enjoying being with God in His creation. But, they disobeyed and ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. God had told them they could eat from every tree accept that one. I don't know why. Maybe he wanted them to be willfully obedient, not just blindly obedient. He gave them a choice and they chose to be like God in the sense that they knew right from wrong. Now, instead of just relating to God out of an innocent heart, the knowledge of right and wrong was in the way. Knowing that we have done something wrong changes us. It does something to our ability to just do what we were created to do...enjoy being with God. God created humanity without sin. But He gave them a choice and they chose to give that up.

[Bouncer]

But, they disobeyed and ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

do you believe in an actual "tree of knowledge". where do they grow them at? lol

[babyblues]

do you believe in an actual "tree of knowledge". where do they grow them at? lol

I don't know.

[Bouncer]

God created humanity without sin. But He gave them a choice and they chose to give that up.

i didn't give shit up. these adam and eve characters that you believe in did. they ate from the magic tree and so jesus had to die for it. :rofl: i cant believe you believe in this stuff.

[Bouncer]

I don't know.

i heard they might be grown in Mexico next to the weed. lol