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[Shibby]

A world theology class would be a good elective. My wife took a class called "Judaism, Christianity and Islam" in college. Seemed interesting even if it is theology. I think most religious parents of children would be afraid to expose them to other religions though.

[Shibby]

When I was a freshman in college there was a speaker who came to USC and gave a presentation about Evolution and creationism working hand in hand.

What was his degree in?

[NewbieChris]

What was his degree in?

I honestly don't remember that was 5 years ago.

[Shibby]

Do you remember if it was in a biology field or something else?

[3v1lj03]

This is a lecture with excerpts from "The God Delusion" - YouTube - Dawkins in Lynchburg VA (part 1) The God Delusion



YouTube - Dawkins in Lynchburg VA (part 2) The God Delusion

This would probably more interesting to you and rare in a christian lecture. Dawkins publicly takes questions after reading the excerpts from anyone. The questions start off very calm and then people start getting more bold with their questions.

So, I listened to the whole thing and he is even mildly entertaining I found Dawkins seemed much more intelligent to listen to then to read. Also I tend to agree with allot of his points about the problems with christens and the bible. Most professing "christens" don't know what the bible says or what it means because they have never read it. This problem frustrates me to no end. I also agree with his points about theologians saying the old testament is just allegory and if that is true what is the moral lesson. I disagree with these modern liberal theologians and believe the bible is littoral in meaning and text. Most modern "christens" are a pathetic examples of what they should be and it is no wonder that the ranks of eastern mysticism and atheism are swelling. Paul even referred to this problem is the first century when he said "God's name is blasphemed all day long" because of the corrupt christen witness. It is the christen church's fault the it is in decline in the western world and no one else can be blamed. As to the logical arguments of Dawkins it is the same stuff that has been said forever and I did not hear anything new here. But, Like I indicated before I like to engage the culture and atheists and other religions I strongly believe that a faith that cannot be questioned cannot be trusted. My faith is historical and evidential.

When I was a freshman in college there was a speaker who came to USC and gave a presentation about Evolution and creationism working hand in hand. I will tell you what, it was very interesting and thought provoking. It makes you ask a lot of questions of science, because we are so very stupid as a race. It is really something that should be taught, if not for diversities sake, for the soul purpose that it requires a person to think to answer a question, instead of just memorization.

That being said, Creationism isn't science and I don't believe it should be taught in science classrooms.

I think just exposure to the fact that evolution may not be the only viable theory would be sufficient . I am not even sure that any origins class need be taught just the stuff that is factual and historical would probably be sufficient for the public education system. Like I read above it does not make that much difference to your life.

A world theology class would be a good elective. My wife took a class called "Judaism, Christianity and Islam" in college. Seemed interesting even if it is theology. I think most religious parents of children would be afraid to expose them to other religions though.

I agree that most people are afraid to expose their children or themselves for that matter to other religions. My bother in law is atheist and has this very problem. I think it is important to understand what and why other religions including atheists believe what they believe! If your kids don't own their faith they will not keep it.

[Bouncer]

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[3v1lj03]

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[Bouncer]

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[Shibby]

One way that Dawkins explains the fight between religion and science is that religion tries to live in the gaps. As science closes the gaps (the areas without scientific evidence) theologists try to push the gap open or disowns the gap and moves their focus to a larger one.


What do you think about the Vatican abolished the belief in Limbo?

[3v1lj03]

One way that Dawkins explains the fight between religion and science is that religion tries to live in the gaps. As science closes the gaps (the areas without scientific evidence) theologists try to push the gap open or disowns the gap and moves their focus to a larger one.


What do you think about the Vatican abolished the belief in Limbo?

I am not sure what you are saying in the first part. You could try to reword it a little for me but, if you are saying what I think you are I think you are. You are living in the past we are a long way past that in the modern church. I have no fear nor does anyone I know of what science will discover. I know as it has always done it will only increase the evidence for my faith.

The second part again I believe the Vatican is a corrupt organization. I also believe they are like the Nicolaitans, which Christ so unsparingly condemned in the book of Revelation. I am a Protestant and therefore the church to me does not include Rome I do believe that despite the harrasy and corruption of the Vatican there are a some true believers in the Catholic Church.

[Shibby]

I probably didn't word Dawkins right, but basically what science says is highly improbably about theology is argued by theologists by using the "gaps". I know improbable doesn't mean impossible, but if everything is working perfectly within an intelligent design, then anomalies would go against the grain and the design. What we do know about physics and biology, it all has a balance. These "gaps", for the most part, disrupt this balance.

The part about the Vatican has a lot to do with understanding the doubts or dis-beliefs within agnosticism and atheism. If something so set into the teachings like limbo can simply change, where is the beginning and end of the changes? In theory the bible is god's word and was suppose to be spoken perfectly the first time. So why so many changes?

[3v1lj03]

I probably didn't word Dawkins right, but basically what science says is highly improbably about theology is argued by theologists by using the "gaps". I know improbable doesn't mean impossible, but if everything is working perfectly within an intelligent design, then anomalies would go against the grain and the design. What we do know about physics and biology, it all has a balance. These "gaps", for the most part, disrupt this balance.

The part about the Vatican has a lot to do with understanding the doubts or dis-beliefs within agnosticism and atheism. If something so set into the teachings like limbo can simply change, where is the beginning and end of the changes? In theory the bible is god's word and was suppose to be spoken perfectly the first time. So why so many changes?

Ok I get what you are getting at I need to think about my response. The second part. There have been no changes in the canon since the bible was canonized. Like I said the Vatican is corrupt and is not a religion I am willing to defend.

[Shibby]

I would like to repeat something Dawkins said (I think in the video too)... You are a christian by chance. If you were born in another part of the world you would be Muslim, or a Jew... All these religions come from the Abrahamic religion. So this leads to another question, if they all come from the same place why is there such dislike for one another? So as much as you wish to disconnect with the Vatican it's all part of the whole. It's true the Canon hasn't changed but the verses within each book has.

[3v1lj03]

I would like to repeat something Dawkins said (I think in the video too)... You are a christian by chance. If you were born in another part of the world you would be Muslim, or a Jew... All these religions come from the Abrahamic religion. So this leads to another question, if they all come from the same place why is there such dislike for one another? So as much as you wish to disconnect with the Vatican it's all part of the whole. It's true the Canon hasn't changed but the verses within each book has.

This first statement indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of the christian faith. I believe I was called by God to believe and I also believe that all men are given light what they do with that light determines their future revelations or weather they will be given more light. For the second since I have read (many times)and understood my bible (that has not changed. It says the same thing in Greek or Hebrew that it says in the english translations. Assuming a legitimate translation) I can not support or condone harresy which is what I believe is the problem with the Roman Catholic Church. Haven't you heard of the Protestant Reformation and Martin Luther? The Vatican has produced a lot of atheists and agnostics for good reason. I have several friends that have been deeply wounded by the Catholic Church and they are very difficult to reach indeed. Those teachers of harresy will receive a very bitter reward in the end one far more severe than any man can deal out. I hope this helps you understand where I am coming from. I do enjoy this discussion. But, You will never draw me into defending the Vatican.

[Shibby]

I don't want this to sound like an attack because this thread has been going very well. But my question is, do you really think you would be a christian if born in a Muslim nation? Reformation itself is the definition of change. You keep trying to disconnect with the Roman Catholic Church, but I am talking about all religions and how they can so easily change. I have no intention of drawing you anywhere. I like this discussion of simple difference in point of of view. To tell me saying the Vatican is corrupt and crazy; is like preaching to the choir about religion as a whole.