mein kampf

[Mr I]

very well put.

Thank you:D

[Mr I]

i don't admire hitler the person or his beliefs. i do admire his ability to rise to power.

You should see my cock first thing on a morning, sounds like you'd be a big fan:rofl:

[Bouncer]

but not Bush's rise to power? kind of ironic if you ask me, but Im just a simpleton

simpleton, you said it brother.

bush was born into power. given everything and helped along at every turn.

hitler was a nobody and wounded in world war 1 and went on to be one of the most powerful men ever.


no matter what kind of brainwashing you went through during your military years, bush is not a good leader and is not good for this country. i understand you are from the south but try and think the correct way for a change. :P

[Mr I]

lol thats like right before someone says something racist but they forewarn you they aren't racist. it always makes me laugh. and its antisemitism fyi

unwanted Jews? again laughable. he wouldnt let them leave, but again what made the Jews not wanted? if we asked the world to get rid of the unwanted Mexicans or Italaians would that give us the right to gas them?

some peoples children ((rolls eyes))

I think you'll find that initially he wanted the jews out and that gasing them wasn't his initial plan. Of course harming innocent people is wrong and for gassing them he's no better than Idi Amin, Sadam etc

[bigbadexcursion]

i don't admire hitler the person or his beliefs. i do admire his ability to rise to power.

but not Bush's rise to power? kind of ironic if you ask me, but Im just a simpleton

[Bouncer]

very well put.

i don't admire hitler the person or his beliefs. i do admire his ability to rise to power.

[bigbadexcursion]

I will admit that Hitler may be fascinating as a psychological case study, but to admire the man is, in my opinion, to abandon your humanity. You must take him in his totality and not attempt to isolate 'admirable traits' as that borders on making you an appologist.

very well put.

[bigbadexcursion]

Having recently lost a job due to the company merging with a Jewish outfit, most of which coincidentaly kept their jobs I musn't let my emotions rise lol!!!

No seriousely no anti scemitism here.


Hitler did however have some resoned arguments but was alas ultimately a phsyco!

The gasing and genocide was called the final solution for a reason, because He'd asked Europe and the alies to take the unwanted Jews into their countries or help relocate them and didn't recieve the help as he saw it. So he resorted to killing them initially quietly.

lol thats like right before someone says something racist but they forewarn you they aren't racist. it always makes me laugh. and its antisemitism fyi

unwanted Jews? again laughable. he wouldnt let them leave, but again what made the Jews not wanted? if we asked the world to get rid of the unwanted Mexicans or Italaians would that give us the right to gas them?

some peoples children ((rolls eyes))

[Mr I]

Having recently lost a job due to the company merging with a Jewish outfit, most of which coincidentaly kept their jobs I musn't let my emotions rise lol!!!

No seriousely no anti scemitism here.

Hitler can be compared to Idi Amin, Pol pot, Sadam, Mugabe in many respects;

1) All came to leadership when their countries were on their arse on way or another eitheir economic or civil unrest. This meant that people were in a desperate frame of mind and in this state tend to go for more extreeme personalities as leaders because they think an extreeme person is needed for extreem circumstances.

2) They were all extreeme, strong personalities but also without balance in their personalities and basically unhinged.

3) All brought an initial surge of unity to their general population which brings people back to work, increases confidence and gives the country a feeling of wellbeing initially.

Hitler did however have some resoned arguments but was alas ultimately a phsyco!

The gasing and genocide was called the final solution for a reason, because He'd asked Europe and the alies to take the unwanted Jews into their countries or help relocate them and didn't recieve the help as he saw it. So he resorted to killing them initially quietly.

Once the war was over what did the allied countries do? exactly as he'd asked, relocated many to Isreal, go figure!

I haven't read that book but ultimately I see Hitler as an intelligent, passionate, charismatic man, but a complete evil nutjob taboot

[mindstar]

:idea::idea: Homeland security anyone......................................

It crossed my mind as I was writing. There is a great quotation by Goebles, Hitler's minister of propaganda which reads:

"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Goering

It's true he understood the psyche of the public and used their fear to manipulate them...I still disagree with the term "great" though. I won't continue to beat a dead horse however.

I will admit that Hitler may be fascinating as a psychological case study, but to admire the man is, in my opinion, to abandon your humanity. You must take him in his totality and not attempt to isolate 'admirable traits' as that borders on making you an appologist.

[mindstar]

bet most of you dont know the swastika is a good luck symbol that remains on many jewish synagoges today

The swastika is not a good luck symbol, it's mirror image is.

[bigscott]

:idea::idea: Homeland security anyone......................................

ha ha ha ha good one turbo

[Turbo3000]

It can also be convincing them that someone else may have a gun to their head. In fact, this is the most common type of leading through fear. Create a state where the population is terrified by some threat, real or imagined, and they will follow whomever says they can fix it. They will also be prepared to lose their humanity in doing so...such is the nature of fear.

:idea::idea: Homeland security anyone......................................

[bigscott]

I think most of you guys have difficult calling him a "great leader" because he caused so many atrocious; but there is no question he was fearless, charismatic, and had very strong leadership skills that won many victories for Germany. He used bluffing techniics to sieze countries along with the "blizkrieg" techniques and won many battles sometimes without even fighting. He assemblem one of the most talented (and ruthless) goups with Goering, Goebbels, Himmler, Bormann, and Speer. Again he was poor war strategist and often waffled, make poor descions such as invading Russia, not using Germanys secret weapons death ray, long range bombers, not utilizing women and he campaign against the Jews was uneccessary. He was a bad person but great leader.

thank you -- agreed !!

i will always look at hilter as one of the greatest - i like mao se tung aswell

they interest me - what made them tick etc etc etc - have read more and watched more things on the man they call hitler - starting to delve into more material on mao

bet most of you dont know the swastika is a good luck symbol that remains on many jewish synagoges today

[Bouncer]

simple terms...
what made Alexander the Great, great was everything he accomplished on top of his military victories.

Leading through fear is not always about putting a gun to someone's head. It can also be convincing them that someone else may have a gun to their head. In fact, this is the most common type of leading through fear. Create a state where the population is terrified by some threat, real or imagined, and they will follow whomever says they can fix it. They will also be prepared to lose their humanity in doing so...such is the nature of fear.

I wonder what you mean exactly by great? You've alluded to it through admiration of military conquest, and public persuasion, but can you put it in a simple declarative statement or paragraph? I think I've done so in previous posts. That, I think is the basis for our disagreement.


On a side note, the Russian people recently voted Stalin 3rd in all time favourite Russian historical figures. Don't know that I'd call him great though.

i understand your side and i respect it. i guess we just see greatness in a different way. i respect power no matter what tactic is used to get there. he lead millions and rivaled the super powers of the world.

on a side note, it is said that stalin may be responsible for more death then hitler was. ordered killings of untold millions in Siberia.