arranged marriages. thoughts?

[Bouncer]

Who are you to say what can occur for someone elses child?

i am the guy that says everyone's child has the right to choose there own partner.

[Shibby]

control is everywhere. The question, in a free society, is where that control begins and ends at the hands of government. A free society isn't freedom from control, but freedom from government control. Who are you to say what can occur for someone elses child?

You sound like such and idiot right now. No one is talking about controlling someone else kid. Were talking about not treating people like property.

[mofo]

control is everywhere. The question, in a free society, is where that control begins and ends at the hands of government. A free society isn't freedom from control, but freedom from government control. Who are you to say what can occur for someone elses child?

Sure. But we're talking about with a family. Government control is a whole different thread. Kind of like your sister's sitatuion. If you don't mind me saying, your mom doesn't like that guy because he's black. My parents don't like the fact i have male friends. Same situation manifesting itself differently.

[the art of war]

You sound like such and idiot right now. No one is talking about controlling someone else kid. Were talking about not treating people like property.

you say that like it's a bad thing :hibb::hibb:

[Mr I]

wow. never really thought of it that way.

marriage usually means sex is expected, so the woman is forced to marry, what don't you understand, it really couldn't get much worse IMO.

In the west we like to charm the ladies and have consenting adult sex as opposed to rape which is what sharia law effectively legalises.

What the fuck is a woman going to do when her parents decide she has to marry some dude, she naively does what pleases her parents if she's young then doesn't like the guy, he forces sex on her what's she gonna do? nobody is going to listen in her community they'd just say well your married what do you expect.

Its symbolic of the archaic backward and down right abusive regime that it is sharia.

[Bouncer]

marriage usually means sex is expected, so the woman is forced to marry, what don't you understand, it really couldn't get much worse IMO.

In the west we like to charm the ladies and have consenting adult sex as opposed to rape which is what sharia law effectively legalises.

What the fuck is a woman going to do when her parents decide she has to marry some dude, she naively does what pleases her parents if she's young then doesn't like the guy, he forces sex on her what's she gonna do? nobody is going to listen in her community they'd just say well your married what do you expect.

Its symbolic of the archaic backward and down right abusive regime that it is sharia.

:agreed:

[NewbieChris]

You sound like such and idiot right now. No one is talking about controlling someone else kid. Were talking about not treating people like property.

Actually you are. Ownership dictates control. Control is, seemingly, what you are saying is the problem in this tradition. However, you do own your children. I can think of nothing more inherently *yours* than your children. You created them, you're the only reason they exist. If any reason elicits control of something, I would say creation of that something is it.

The question really is, how much we let society dictate what we can do: withing our own family, lives, houses, bedrooms, etc. All comes down to control.

[Bouncer]

Actually you are. Ownership dictates control. Control is, seemingly, what you are saying is the problem in this tradition. However, you do own your children. I can think of nothing more inherently *yours* than your children. You created them, you're the only reason they exist. If any reason elicits control of something, I would say creation of that something is it.

The question really is, how much we let society dictate what we can do: withing our own family, lives, houses, bedrooms, etc. All comes down to control.

once again, type 50 pages worth of jibberish if you want. you cant get away from the very simple fact that everyone should have the right to pick who they want to be with. nothing else matters besides the point at hand. so once again... shut the fuck up. :)

[NewbieChris]

once again, type 50 pages worth of jibberish if you want. you cant get away from the very simple fact that everyone should have the right to pick who they want to be with. nothing else matters besides the point at hand. so once again... shut the fuck up. :)

That is not the point at hand, the discussion is about the merit of arranged marriage.

Ask yourself WHY it is a 'simple fact' that you should be given the opportunity to choose who you want to be with? Or better yet, ask yourself what defines the person you want to be with, and WHY.

[FitnessBrat]

Chris.....really?

[Bouncer]

That is not the point at hand, the discussion is about the merit of arranged marriage.

Ask yourself WHY it is a 'simple fact' that you should be given the opportunity to choose who you want to be with? Or better yet, ask yourself what defines the person you want to be with, and WHY.

you like to make things complicated. i like to cut to the chase. we can talk in circles all day. go ponder the origins of every detail of everything while I say the same thing i said above..

[NewbieChris]

Chris.....really?

I just believe, simply put, that society controls all aspects of our lives. People refuse to acknowledge it and its much the same as someone strictly dictating what is acceptable. I realize it is not as plain and simple, its the mere fact that he won't acknowledge that. He is all about free will, but doesn't see how limited 'free' is.

[FitnessBrat]

I just believe, simply put, that society controls all aspects of our lives. People refuse to acknowledge it and its much the same as someone strictly dictating what is acceptable. I realize it is not as plain and simple, its the mere fact that he won't acknowledge that. He is all about free will, but doesn't see how limited 'free' is.

But as much as you talk about being controlled, you want us to control our adult children's marriage/family?

[NewbieChris]

But as much as you talk about being controlled, you want us to control our adult children's marriage/family?

No, I'm saying control is limited to those who should have a say and I cannot think of anyone better than a parent.

[NewbieChris]

once again, type 50 pages worth of jibberish if you want. you cant get away from the very simple fact that everyone should have the right to pick who they want to be with. nothing else matters besides the point at hand. so once again... shut the fuck up. :)

I love ya man, and you have to realize that sometimes I just talk to talk. Theres nothing more fun than opening your mind to other ideas and possibilities, its how the best things in the world are founded. Its how societies change and its how our species moves forward.