This is awesome

[Bouncer]

true they reproduce slower but they are also harvested at a much slower rate. If I'm the dipshit then maybe you can tell me how reproducing at a slower rate makes them somehow better and immune from human consumption.

they may be harvested at a slower rate but their are also a lot less of them to begin with. dumbass

[Scrumhalf]

... perhaps you should read the article before you link to it. This is from the first two paragraphs.

Read up on humpback whale communication........

[Scrumhalf]

Put more simply, killing whales for food is totally unnecessary. Whales are majestic animals that should be protected just like elephants, lions, etc. They have complicated societies, clearly communicate with each other in complex ways and show much evidence of advanced behavior. Don't we have enough other animals to eat?

To quote a poster on another board where the same topic was discussed, killing whales is like being a asshole on purpose without any reason.

[ROCKILLER]

Put more simply, killing whales for food is totally unnecessary. Whales are majestic animals that should be protected just like elephants, lions, etc. They have complicated societies, clearly communicate with each other in complex ways and show much evidence of advanced behavior. Don't we have enough other animals to eat?

To quote a poster on another board where the same topic was discussed, killing whales is like being a asshole on purpose without any reason.

I notice you post up some goofy ass picture but dont once mention any contradiction to the beginning of the article that YOU quoted. :wack:

So because some scientists have found that one specie of whale can communicate means that they are "majestic" and "special". I just dont buy it. They are part of the food chain just like all other animals.

[ROCKILLER]

they may be harvested at a slower rate but their are also a lot less of them to begin with. dumbass

Maybe you need a math class B. Say some animal reproduces at 100 per year per square mile and when ten die naturally and you kill and eat ten the populations produces 100 more the next year. The other animal only reproduces 10 offspring. It is logical that you can take one of them and the population will survive. Simple ratios. It isnt perfect science but it's a good start.

Maybe I just dont have enough compassion for different animals but just because I don't eat something doesn't mean that I dont think others should be able to. Take Iguanas. I had a pet iguana when I was younger. I never have eaten one. But, there are places where they are eaten daily.

[Bouncer]

They are part of the food chain just like all other animals.

just like the African elephant who if we keep going at this rate will be extinct in 15 years.

there comes a time when we as humans need to be the protector and not the hunter for the good of everything including ourselves. you remove a valuable piece from the chain and the chain is no more.

big difference between cows which number in the billions and whales that are not so easily reproduced.

[Bouncer]

Maybe you need a math class B. Say some animal reproduces at 100 per year per square mile and when ten die naturally and you kill and eat ten the populations produces 100 more the next year. The other animal only reproduces 10 offspring. It is logical that you can take one of them and the population will survive. Simple ratios. It isnt perfect science but it's a good start.

Maybe I just dont have enough compassion for different animals but just because I don't eat something doesn't mean that I dont think others should be able to. Take Iguanas. I had a pet iguana when I was younger. I never have eaten one. But, there are places where they are eaten daily.

whales are dieing out at a very fast rate. we have far far fewer whales on this earth compared to before the start of whaling. your example of cows however.. there have never been as many cows on the planet as there are now. thus your food chain argument is very flawed.

[ROCKILLER]

just like the African elephant who if we keep going at this rate will be extinct in 15 years.

there comes a time when we as humans need to be the protector and not the hunter for the good of everything including ourselves. you remove a valuable piece from the chain and the chain is no more.

big difference between cows which number in the billions and whales that are not so easily reproduced.

I completely agree about the elephants. They were slaughtered for years and their bodies were left to rot after the valuable ivory was removed. Much like Buffalo here. The killing of elephants should be stopped to allow populations to return, in a similar way that they stopped abalone harvest in southern California.

To be totally clear, I'm completely against the overuse of the natural resources of our planet.

[Bouncer]

To be totally clear, I'm completely against the overuse of the natural resources of our planet.

:agreed:

[Scrumhalf]

So because some scientists have found that one specie of whale can communicate means that they are "majestic" and "special". I just dont buy it. They are part of the food chain just like all other animals.

If you don't think whales are majestic and special creatures, you must be the only person in the world (other than the whalers) that thinks so. It's a bit like walking up to the Grand Canyon and saying "Meh, not all that impressive.".

Maybe your statement was just a bit of hyperbole but if you really feel so, I guess we'll never see eye to eye on this. I (and I suspect I am not alone on this) that there are certain creatures like the great cats, the gorilla and other great apes, the polar bear and the grizzly, the elephant and the cetaceans are "magnificent" and deserving of unconditional protection. Not that other species are less deserving but these creatures elicit a visceral response from most people because of their magnificence.

Remember, the West used to do a lot of whaling too in the 19th century and almost killed them all off, bit thankfully we came to our senses. The JPanese need to wake up and get into the 21st century.

[Bouncer]

If you don't think whales are majestic and special creatures, you must be the only person in the world (other than the whalers) that thinks so. It's a bit like walking up to the Grand Canyon and saying "Meh, not all that impressive.".

Maybe your statement was just a bit of hyperbole but if you really feel so, I guess we'll never see eye to eye on this. I (and I suspect I am not alone on this) that there are certain creatures like the great cats, the gorilla and other great apes, the polar bear and the grizzly, the elephant and the cetaceans are "magnificent" and deserving of unconditional protection. Not that other species are less deserving but these creatures elicit a visceral response from most people because of their magnificence.

Remember, the West used to do a lot of whaling too in the 19th century and almost killed them all off, bit thankfully we came to our senses. The JPanese need to wake up and get into the 21st century.

even more then that is the impact it would have if these creatures were hunted to extinction. the balance would be off set and we would all suffer.

[Scrumhalf]

even more then that is the impact it would have if these creatures were hunted to extinction. the balance would be off set and we would all suffer.

Totally agreed B, although for creatures like whales, I am against even "sustainable" hunting. There is no economic, nutritional or any other justification for this. And I think even cultural arguments are a crock. Cannibalism was also a cherished cultural institution in some societies until even recently and nobody in their right mind would argue that it is acceptable.

[Bouncer]

Fucken idiots. Denmark is a big shame | lobotomoty.com

[Scrumhalf]

Fucken idiots. Denmark is a big shame | lobotomoty.com

Total madness.... and Scandinavia is supposed to be one of "enlightened" parts of the world.... :pissed: