swinger lifestyle

[Mr I]

I feel I did in the first time :weights:

You put the cart before the horse is what you did

[Bouncer]

You put the cart before the horse is what you did

jolly good analogy old boy!! right o! pip pip!

[Mr I]

I'll come over and give magdelena one, when you walk in with a baseball bat saying 'hey she's the mother my kid' I'll regurgitate the shit you typed earlier lol

[Shibby]

You put the cart before the horse is what you did

You're right. I should have never assumed you or Bouncer had the intelligence to follow my post :hibb:

[Shibby]

I'll come over and give magdelena one, when you walk in with a baseball bat saying 'hey she's the mother my kid' I'll regurgitate the shit you typed earlier lol

You're an idiot. I never said what should or shouldn't be. I said that what is mainstream was created and that everyone should do what makes them happy. Not to try and determine it for others.

[Bouncer]

You're right. I should have never assumed you or Bouncer had the intelligence to follow my post :hibb:

hey i agree with you dick head

[Shibby]

hey i agree with you dick head

I know, but I still had to throw you in there since I had to layman my post :P

[Mr I]

You're right. I should have never assumed you or Bouncer had the intelligence to follow my post :hibb:

:rolleyes: ok then

[Mr I]

You're an idiot. I never said what should or shouldn't be. I said that what is mainstream was created and that everyone should do what makes them happy. Not to try and determine it for others.

Well except for the idiot part I agree, its great that after all my guidance you've finally seen sense:rofl:

[Shibby]

You must try to remember about time zones. By the time you are drunk in the evenings, most of us have only started, or are about half way through with our day. :D

[Mr I]

You must try to remember about time zones. By the time you are drunk in the evenings, most of us have only started, or are about half way through with our day. :D

so what your saying is I been up all night and that's why I catch you with my wit cos your just comin round:rofl:

[Mr I]

We are all different shibbs yes. But simply speaking, what you call unnatural, like not fucking everything you can to spread your seed for example, is something that is entirely natural to others. Raising a family where mommy and daddy don't openly fuvk other people is in my view proven to be better for kids and their relationship. Nothing to do with being brainwashed it just is. You try and make those people that live what you call a normal life out to be brainwashed, stupid and unadventurous. Its simply not the case, its healthy helpful and can be great. And it is civilised which to a point is about survival and therefor somewhat instinctive.

[Shibby]

No, I was pointing out that those who live a life other than the mainstream/traditional way are not that unusual/unnatural. There are plenty of people out there that just simply aren't into sex that much. That's the way their brain works. There are also a lot of those who want more sex than they can get in the confines of a traditional marriage and it eats at them constantly. Those are the ones fighting the natural instinct in them that has been suppressed by society.

You can look at all different households and the types of sex lives they have. Some are very strict. Some allow looking at others, but not touching. Some enjoy watching pornography and using toys, while others find that unfathomable. This is all aspects of nature vs nurture.

It would be rather easy to see what people are living a life that is truly best for them and those who have conformed to some mainstream ideology. Look at who they were on all levels before marriage. If both partners are happy and living their life similar to how they did previously, they are mostly living what is instinctively right for them (which monogamy could surely be that life). If they are constantly struggling with themselves, showing resentment of their partner and just seem like a different person than they were a short time ago, that is a relationship filled with personal contradiction. Those are the ones brainwashed and will be self destructive.

I know of the studies you have probably heard about being best for kids. I can also tell you haven't paid attention or read any studies from the 21st century. As our world changes, so does the environment of what creates happy families. You know what made it so hard for kids in the 20th century to have a healthy rearing in an alternative family? Other kids and family's who attempted to make those kids feel inferior because their life didn't fit the mainstream way.

Now for your point of survival. The type of sexual life parents have doesn't determine how strong a relationship is. The strength comes from parents having the same vision and same goal of their family. The way you talk about mommy and daddy openly fucking other people is obviously referring to those having affairs they know would destroy the trust of their partner. You have created one destructive scenario and applied it to all relationships. That view is flawed from the beginning, because once again we don't all find the cookie cutter relationship the one that makes us happy. As for the assumption that monogamy is the best family style for kids to be raised in; I still ask how all these rules apply to divorced parents? Parents get divorced for many other reasons besides sex. Are those parents suppose to find one person and make another commitment for the sake of the kids? Should they go out and have fun like a single person, or is that restricted because they are a parent? If divorced parents are out having sex with multiple people, they are doing nothing different than parents with an open marriage. The only difference is the kids of a divorced home are dealing with separate parents and everything that comes with that. While the kids in a home with an open marriage have both parents in the same loving home and have a single united environment to raise their kids.

What it comes down to is if the relationship/marriage is based on a sexual commitment or if it is based on a commitment of love. Yes they can be one commitment and yes they can be separate commitments. They don't have to be both though. I also guarantee that if someone is able to remove the sexual focus out of their marriage, it is exponentially more difficult to have a marriage that will fail.

[alwaysgrowing]

Raising a family where mommy and daddy don't openly fuvk other people is in my view proven to be better for kids and their relationship.

I think Shibby is pointing to the above Mr I, YOUR view is that a marriage that is not open is better for the children. Other's views may be that an open relationship is better for a child. It is all subjective and based upon our values and how we were raised. Shibby, feel free to crrect me if I am mistaken

[Shibby]

I think Shibby is pointing to the above Mr I, YOUR view is that a marriage that is not open is better for the children. Other's views may be that an open relationship is better for a child. It is all subjective and based upon our values and how we were raised. Shibby, feel free to crrect me if I am mistaken

I was kind of leaving the specifics of the part you quoted alone. When I read it, I thought "Well is it your view or is it proven?". But that get's back to the whole assumption/misconception post and the connect the dot analogy.

But, I think you understand what I'm saying in the broad sense. :agreed: