american history question

[Bouncer]

well you just read Shibby say the first Americans were British!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

in the context of the thread bro. he is making a point to you because you are hell bent on giving credit to everything British. and since the first WHITE Americans were British then you can also take credit for bringing slavery to our shores.

[Mr I]

he is worthy of credit in the initial drive to end slavery IN BRITAIN.

he had nothing to do with ending slavery here other then to serve as an influence on what the right thing to do is.

you want to give credit to him because he is British but never mind OUR people who worked, fought, and died to end slavery in OUR country.

the two aren't mutually exclusive, no one is saying never mind those people such as Abe Lincoln and all those other Americans, I never said that, this is all you bro twisting shit, again!

Did you just chose to ignore my ref to Abe Lincolns comments on Wilberforce or what? and do you chose to ignore how what went on in Britain influenced America?

Your being stupefyingly stubborn dude


"Wilberforce pursued both objectives with vigor and persistence despite opposition and vilification that was overwhelming at times and costly to his health. After 20 years of struggle, Wilberforce and his colleagues who lived in the Clapham five miles south of London were able to achieve legislation in the England that abolished the U.K. slave trade, which greatly influenced the abolition of the slave trade in America and ultimate in France. In another 26 years, three day before he died on July 29, 1833, Wilberforce was informed that Parliament agreed to the emancipation of slavery."

"William Wilberforce is an unsung hero of the humanities and a giant in his own time. While virtually unknown in United States today, Wilberforce was acknowledged by Abraham Lincoln in 1856 as a person that “every school boy” in America knew. The emancipation leader Frederick Douglass saluted the energy of Wilberforce and his co-workers “that finally thawed the British heart into sympathy for the slave, and moved the strong arm of government in mercy to put an end to this bondage. Let no American, especially no colored American, withhold generous recognition of this stupendous achievement—a triumph of right over wrong, of good over evil, and a victory for the whole human race."

Ref Wilberforce Central

[Mr I]

in the context of the thread bro. he is making a point to you because you are hell bent on giving credit to everything British. and since the first WHITE Americans were British then you can also take credit for bringing slavery to our shores.

your the one that's hell bent bro, its blatant, your views are tunnel visioned and you won't consider anything beyond that prejudice. This thread started with a question and straight away you took it the wrong way and slammed it for something it wasn't meant to do.:disagree:

[Bouncer]

the two aren't mutually exclusive, no one is saying never mind those people such as Abe Lincoln and all those other Americans, I never said that, this is all you bro twisting shit, again!

Did you just chose to ignore my ref to Abe Lincolns comments on Wilberforce or what? and do you chose to ignore how what went on in Britain influenced America?

Your being stupefyingly stubborn dude


"Wilberforce pursued both objectives with vigor and persistence despite opposition and vilification that was overwhelming at times and costly to his health. After 20 years of struggle, Wilberforce and his colleagues who lived in the Clapham five miles south of London were able to achieve legislation in the England that abolished the U.K. slave trade, which greatly influenced the abolition of the slave trade in America and ultimate in France. In another 26 years, three day before he died on July 29, 1833, Wilberforce was informed that Parliament agreed to the emancipation of slavery."

"William Wilberforce is an unsung hero of the humanities and a giant in his own time. While virtually unknown in United States today, Wilberforce was acknowledged by Abraham Lincoln in 1856 as a person that “every school boy” in America knew. The emancipation leader Frederick Douglass saluted the energy of Wilberforce and his co-workers “that finally thawed the British heart into sympathy for the slave, and moved the strong arm of government in mercy to put an end to this bondage. Let no American, especially no colored American, withhold generous recognition of this stupendous achievement—a triumph of right over wrong, of good over evil, and a victory for the whole human race."

Ref Wilberforce Central

exactly as i said, he was a person of influence who did the right thing. he had no direct impact on the ending slavery in America.

example. if the Iranian people decided they wanted to live in a democracy and they fought for it and won. would you say "Greece is the country that initiated the new democracy in iran because they were the first to do it and they served as the influence?

thats basically what you are saying about Wilberforce. you are giving him the credit when really it was our people that changed things here in america.

[Bouncer]

your the one that's hell bent bro, its blatant, your views are tunnel visioned and you won't consider anything beyond that prejudice. This thread started with a question and straight away you took it the wrong way and slammed it for something it wasn't meant to do.:disagree:

my views are based on fact. you are the one with the prejudice. you cant see past "the British are responsible for everything good anywhere in the world.

[Mr I]

exactly as i said, he was a person of influence who did the right thing. he had no direct impact on the ending slavery in America.

example. if the Iranian people decided they wanted to live in a democracy and they fought for it and won. would you say "Greece is the country that initiated the new democracy in iran because they were the first to do it and they served as the influence?

thats basically what you are saying about Wilberforce. you are giving him the credit when really it was our people that changed things here in america.

Are you for real? have you never been to a history lesson or any school lesson for that matter?

Answer to you question: Fuck Yes!! sept in this instance America and Britain were closely tied, very closely, despite independence and with constant communication. Now if the Iranian people had never heard of what Greece had president-ed then thats another matter. in this case Wilberforce was well known to Americans at the time who watched what he did but you chose to ignore that

Just look at the history of cultures; democracy, comunism, christianity, islam and re assess your point

[Bouncer]

Are you for real? have you never been to a history lesson or any school lesson for that matter?

Answer to you question: Fuck Yes!!

Just look at the history of cultures; democracy, comunism, christianity, islam and re assess your point

do you not understand the difference between influence and direct impact?

what DIRECT IMPACT would ancient Greece have on a current day Iranian Democracy?

[Mr I]

do you not understand the difference between influence and direct impact?

what DIRECT IMPACT would ancient Greece have on a current day Iranian Democracy?

your squirming again dude lol! its going nowhere:rofl:

I said Wilberforce had a great influence, your trying to change my words

[Bouncer]

your squirming again dude lol! its going nowhere:rofl:

im squirming because you dont understand the difference? :tired: