sexual offenders. discuss.

[mofo]

i have to write a paper for my criminology class on sexual offenders and anything associated with it. so i figured i needed some other points of views. this isn't just child sex offenders but rapists and online predators too.

first off, what do you think the best sentence would be for a sexual offender? jail? community service? rehabilitation and counseling?

do you think that, when these offenders get out from serving sentences, they should be allowed to go back to a "regular" neighborhood or if they should have districts where they can live? almost like a halfway house until x-amount of time passes after getting released before they can move?

lastly, should someone registered in the sex offender registry be listed there for life? there have been cases where 17-year-olds have been charged with statutory rape for having sex with their 15-year-old girlfriend and were required to register and their name is still there 15 years later.

be gentle.

[ROCKETW19]

I think they should be killed but then you run into the problem where she said she was 21 but ended up being 17.
I also personaly seen with my 2 eyes where a girl has faked it 1 guy went to prison. I was there it was no rape he just hit it and quit it the bitch didnt like that. the second guy wasnt going to prison but he was gonna get killed. the chick actually ended up tellin the truth.
so some things come into play but if realy guilty kill them on the spot.

cases where the guy is 18 the girl is 17 and the mom or dad presses charges is BS also that is not rape.

[mofo]

I think they should be killed but then you run into the problem where she said she was 21 but ended up being 17.
I also personaly seen with my 2 eyes where a girl has faked it 1 guy went to prison. I was there it was no rape he just hit it and quit it the bitch didnt like that. the second guy wasnt going to prison but he was gonna get killed. the chick actually ended up tellin the truth.
so some things come into play but if realy guilty kill them on the spot.

cases where the guy is 18 the girl is 17 and the mom or dad presses charges is BS also that is not rape.

so you're saying there is no way to justify it which makes sense. but think about this. there is no real way to differentiate consensual sex from rape if there isn't any physical trauma (which is 90% of all rape cases). in the situation you gave with the girl not liking how he hit it and quit it this would result in her word against her's, she would cry in front of a jury and he's be sent off to death row. is that the right way to go about it? if murderers can go to therapy why not sexual offenders?

and not that i'm taking sides with any part of this argument but sexual offenders have a recidivist rate of only 5.4% which is lower than any other type of offense. so if someone commits an "act of passion" which is forcible sex, does that mean they will do it again?

[The_Grinder]

The registry is the biggest problem IMO as well. In my community, you can look up sex offenders in your area. The problem with that is like you guys have said, it deosnt list whether they tied up and molested a 6 year old, or if it was an 18 year old having sex with a 15-16 year old. Two completely different situations and I think it should be up to a judge to decide if a crime requires registering when they are out. I definately think details about their crime should be posted on these websites as well.

As for the punishments, my opinion is the same as it is about our prison system in general. Right now we pay billions to house these criminals in an environment that PROMOTES gang activity. To me, that just makes everything worse. What the fuck happened to chain gangs?

Ever watch those real life documentaries of prisons on the History Channel and such? They form gangs and have "territories" in the yard, they are allowed to designate gang leadership, they even have parties with "prison wine" and cigarettes after the lights go out. These fuckers should be in a closet sized cell with a small bed from 9PM - 5AM, and out doing road work, picking up trash, and digging ditches during the day. The whole social atmosphere inside doesn't rehabilitate or punish the true criminals. They thrive in that environment.

As far as rapists, I think a true case of a grown man sexually attacking a child against his/her will should be capital punishment unless a group of psychologists can find a CHEMICAL brain condition that promotes that type of behavior. (In which case they should be in a mental institution for life)

[ROCKETW19]

so you're saying there is no way to justify it which makes sense. but think about this. there is no real way to differentiate consensual sex from rape if there isn't any physical trauma (which is 90% of all rape cases). in the situation you gave with the girl not liking how he hit it and quit it this would result in her word against her's, she would cry in front of a jury and he's be sent off to death row. is that the right way to go about it? if murderers can go to therapy why not sexual offenders?

and not that i'm taking sides with any part of this argument but sexual offenders have a recidivist rate of only 5.4% which is lower than any other type of offense. so if someone commits an "act of passion" which is forcible sex, does that mean they will do it again?

I guess it would have to be case to case dependent. Its a wide open label from BS parents pressing charges to fuckers actually forcing themselfs on someone.

[ROCKETW19]

The registry is the biggest problem IMO as well. In my community, you can look up sex offenders in your area. The problem with that is like you guys have said, it deosnt list whether they tied up and molested a 6 year old, or if it was an 18 year old having sex with a 15-16 year old. Two completely different situations and I think it should be up to a judge to decide if a crime requires registering when they are out. I definately think details about their crime should be posted on these websites as well.

As for the punishments, my opinion is the same as it is about our prison system in general. Right now we pay billions to house these criminals in an environment that PROMOTES gang activity. To me, that just makes everything worse. What the fuck happened to chain gangs?

Ever watch those real life documentaries of prisons on the History Channel and such? They form gangs and have "territories" in the yard, they are allowed to designate gang leadership, they even have parties with "prison wine" and cigarettes after the lights go out. These fuckers should be in a closet sized cell with a small bed from 9PM - 5AM, and out doing road work, picking up trash, and digging ditches during the day. The whole social atmosphere inside doesn't rehabilitate or punish the true criminals. They thrive in that environment.

As far as rapists, I think a true case of a grown man sexually attacking a child against his/her will should be capital punishment unless a group of psychologists can find a CHEMICAL brain condition that promotes that type of behavior. (In which case they should be in a mental institution for life)

come on now with the closet sized room and chain gangs.
Do you use steroids? you dont have to anwser but it you do and you get caught with them do you think that is the right punishment for you?

[Bouncer]

rocket is defending those child molesters and comparing them to steroid users!! DISCUSS! :D

[The_Grinder]

come on now with the closet sized room and chain gangs.
Do you use steroids? you dont have to anwser but it you do and you get caught with them do you think that is the right punishment for you?

Let me clarify, I'm talking about maximum security crimes here. Rapists, murderers, etc.

I have a friend who is serving in a minimum security prison right now. Alcohol involved crash that killed his passenger. He sleeps in a dorm with other prisoners. I imagine this is where posession of steroids, marijuana, tax evasion, etc prisoners would go. During the day, they do landscaping work, trash pickup, etc. I think that is perfect for that type of crime.

The chain gang, isolated sleeping arrangments, etc should be for the heavy hitters, including true rapists IMO.

[decadecadeca]

Have you researched the DOJ stats on recidivism rates for sexual offenders?

Compare and contrast those numbers with other violent felons.

It might surprise you.

[mofo]

Ever watch those real life documentaries of prisons on the History Channel and such? They form gangs and have "territories" in the yard, they are allowed to designate gang leadership, they even have parties with "prison wine" and cigarettes after the lights go out. These fuckers should be in a closet sized cell with a small bed from 9PM - 5AM, and out doing road work, picking up trash, and digging ditches during the day. The whole social atmosphere inside doesn't rehabilitate or punish the true criminals. They thrive in that environment.

is the goal of imprisonment to rehabilitate? rehabilitate in the sense that i'm getting at is therapist-led rehabilitation. but in any sense, there is no evidence that shows that being in prison is rehab. it's simply removing "bad people" from society to protect people.

[mofo]

Have you researched the DOJ stats on recidivism rates for sexual offenders?

Compare and contrast those numbers with other violent felons.

It might surprise you.

...

Although it is believed that sex offenders have the highest recidivism rates among criminals, they are among the least likely criminals to be rearrested for new crimes (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2003).

[The_Grinder]

it's simply removing "bad people" from society to protect people.

In my opinion, this theory can only hold water if the criminal is serving a life sentence. What's the point of locking someone up for 10 years only to "protect" the public if prison life isn't enough of a punishment to keep them out. They will do the same shit when they get out.

When I say rehabilitate, I mean make prison fucking bad enough that they won't want to go back. Right now it's "bad" in the sense they have to watch their back to survive. This only encourages gang and criminal related behavior.

[decadecadeca]

Very good.

So for crimes at this level, malum in se crimes, the penal system has no duty to act as rehabilitator.

The rates of recidivism are immaterial. The obligation is to punish the offender and protect the citizenry.

[mofo]

i just realized i misinterpreted the quote i posted. i just got done reading a study that says that 44.7% of all sexual offenders will re-offend in a 25 year span after their initial charge.

so what does everyone think about limiting the areas what sexual offenders are allowed to live? most state laws have a radius that they can't live based on schools in the area. this ultimately drives these offenders into more socially disorganized areas (aka city limits and cities) which are not prepared to handle them in the sense of not checking the registry to familiarize themselves with registrants of the system.

[Bouncer]

wtf are you people talking about. explain this shit cause i dont fucken get it!