Rec Drug users, is this accurate?

[the art of war]

Turbo, check your PM when you can bro - I don't want you to think I'm being hostile , the view you have is very common and I understand (I think) seeing as how addicts are the ones that break into your place and steal your shit ... it's easy to really despise all addicts / alcoholics and to say they are weak willed and choose to be how they are. The reality to me simply put is that I chose not to get help for my disease (this is where the selfishness really comes in) - anything that I did wrong after that is on me - but I have tried so many different methods to stop and stay clean that I know this is unlike anything else and you simply cannot understand the extent of the illness without having it.

I used to be severely overweight, I've lost over 100lbs in my life time - my will power is strong but until I surrendered to the fact I couldn't do it alone I never could put more than a week together of clean.

I hope you can take this without it seeming hostile, I know for a lot of people the subject is sensitive - believe me it is for me, reading what you posted my first response was i felt like it was a direct "fuck you" to me and anyone else whose an addict. But, I understand the complexity of this disease and how people view it from what they understand.

[the art of war]

Explain?

How is ingesting/smoking/injecting/snorting something not your own CHOICE? I did a lot of crazy shit when I was young and I knew it was all choices that I made. It felt good at times to believe that I was addicted, but at the end of the day I made choices to do what I was doing.

it is always your choice - but people who have bipolar and choose not to take their medication end up hypo manic - same situation if i chose not to do what i need to do I end up with a needle in my arm.

[blm]

Making a choice to do something and taking responsibility for that decision and your body being chemically dependent on a substance are to totally different things. To say that addiction is not real is very ignorant statement. You honestly believe that after someone abused a substance to the point that their body goes through withdraws without it is make believe?

That's like saying after taking test too long and your natural production is shut down is a fallacy. It's just a way for the steroid abuser to justify taking more test.

[Bouncer]

Is it true that you need hormona to feel normal at this point in your life?

No not feel normal. That's just it, I'm not ok with normal. Hormona makes me feel amazing. You get use to feeling amazing, normal feels like shit. Lol

[Turbo3000]

Turbo, check your PM when you can bro - I don't want you to think I'm being hostile , the view you have is very common and I understand (I think) seeing as how addicts are the ones that break into your place and steal your shit ... it's easy to really despise all addicts / alcoholics and to say they are weak willed and choose to be how they are. The reality to me simply put is that I chose not to get help for my disease (this is where the selfishness really comes in) - anything that I did wrong after that is on me - but I have tried so many different methods to stop and stay clean that I know this is unlike anything else and you simply cannot understand the extent of the illness without having it.

I used to be severely overweight, I've lost over 100lbs in my life time - my will power is strong but until I surrendered to the fact I couldn't do it alone I never could put more than a week together of clean.

I hope you can take this without it seeming hostile, I know for a lot of people the subject is sensitive - believe me it is for me, reading what you posted my first response was i felt like it was a direct "fuck you" to me and anyone else whose an addict. But, I understand the complexity of this disease and how people view it from what they understand.

My opinion is simply that, an opinion. Not directed to you or an attack on you. Please don't take it that way.

[Bouncer]

Making a choice to do something and taking responsibility for that decision and your body being chemically dependent on a substance are to totally different things. To say that addiction is not real is very ignorant statement. You honestly believe that after someone abused a substance to the point that their body goes through withdraws without it is make believe?

That's like saying after taking test too long and your natural production is shut down is a fallacy. It's just a way for the steroid abuser to justify taking more test.

Agree.

[the art of war]

i gotcha bro - i was just saying how i instantly reacted , your PM was really cool and I appreciate the support man. I respect the right to have an opinion, and i'd hope that even on this shit website (lol B) as adults we can share them without shit blowing up lol.

[Turbo3000]

it is always your choice - but people who have bipolar and choose not to take their medication end up hypo manic - same situation if i chose not to do what i need to do I end up with a needle in my arm.

:clapback: Good analogy.

When put that way it helps to view addiction as an actual medical condition and not simply a choice.

[the art of war]

holy shit, a compliment from turbo - i feel like I just got a PHD from harvard!!!! :D :P

glad that I could put it well, believe me I hate when people just bullshit wanting to quit and refuse to do the work. With what I know now, their is NOT ONE THING that I have an excuse to use over. If my dad died today, I would be horrifically devistated, but I wouldn't shoot dope because of it. It's on me now, I know what I have to do.

When I was younger I honestly didn't understand addiction enough - now im in school for it and hoping to be able to help others at some point in my life.

[Turbo3000]

Making a choice to do something and taking responsibility for that decision and your body being chemically dependent on a substance are to totally different things. To say that addiction is not real is very ignorant statement. You honestly believe that after someone abused a substance to the point that their body goes through withdraws without it is make believe?

That's like saying after taking test too long and your natural production is shut down is a fallacy. It's just a way for the steroid abuser to justify taking more test.

I have been there, My body has had that chemical dependency, but I guess my willpower to not view it as an addiction/disease is what gave me the strength to stop using it. While my body/mind were craving it, I still realized that it was my choice to use or not and I decided not using was the better choice.

[the art of war]

I have been there, My body has had that chemical dependency, but I guess my willpower to not view it as an addiction/disease is what gave me the strength to stop using it. While my body/mind were craving it, I still realized that it was my choice to use or not and I decided not using was the better choice.

man im so jealous of that !!!

To me that sounds like you had a physical addiction as opposed to a physiological one - would you agree with that ?

[Turbo3000]

man im so jealous of that !!!

To me that sounds like you had a physical addiction as opposed to a physiological one - would you agree with that ?

Psychological all the way.

[the art of war]

props to you my man, that's very rare as I'm sure you are aware.

[Bouncer]

turbo dont flatter yourself bro. your addiction sounds minimal compared to others. be it brain chemistry etc.. dont act superior to someone who has a harder time kicking it. we are all very different.

[the art of war]

after kicking heroin and coke I honestly think the coke was harder - and their is no physical withdrawal from coke. That just goes to show to me how literally insane addiction is in the brain. It's sickening , i would shoot coke , puke and swear im never doing it again - 5 minutes later i would be doing it all over... I've been section 12'd due to psychosis from it and as soon as the 72 hour hold was done i went right back ... I'm telling you man addiction is a mother fucker and I have a healthy fear of it now, also I respect myself and have some healthy pride in the fact that I am where I am and I am who I am. I never felt that way using I can tell you that for real.