Heaven and Hell

[Puddles]

Originally posted by rude
:) I'll send you a PM right now :)

Awesome! :) I'm gonna hop in the shower...bbiaf.

[Puddles]

Originally posted by MrsPuddlesFL
No...he didn't say it's sad to BELIEVE in god. He said it's sad that "SOME PEOPLE NEED A REASON TO BE A GOOD PERSON!!' Big difference.

Although I don't believe...I'm happy for those who do. :)

Bumping that in case you missed it, NJ. :)

[edvedr]

thanks mrs p u guys r misunderstanding my comment. i would never think its sad to believe. but some people r only good because they want to get rewarded by heaven. THATS SAD

[njjuicer]

i didnt miss it, why is beign rewarded with heavin (if they think that) bad? everyon ahs reasons to eb good ro abd what makes it sad that they may need the help, and structure from there god and religion to do so

[edvedr]

Originally posted by njjuicer
what makes it sad that they may need the help, and structure from there god and religion to do so

U JUST MADE MY POINT BRO, thats what i was trying to say. i might not be good with words sometimes. i feel like some people r not good people but pretend to be for the sake of reward. and these people r not the ones that r actually good people but the ones who sin and think its ok cause they will just ask for forgiveness. i hope i'm making sense here.

[njjuicer]

no b/c how do u knwo these peoplwho belives in god is rptending u know many ppl who prtend to eb good? its not a reward liekc candy bar its etenral u think they feel that god dont knwo if they abd so theyd jsut prtend to eb godo to fool him? thats stupid to me if they belive in god they know he aint sum guy sititn behind crutain sowhat ur sayin has no beairng to sumone who take sreligion seriously

[Tinfish]

I agree with NJ (probably my first)

I feel that it doesnt matter what the influence is that makes people want to be better, as long as they are doing it.

Could be because of a girlfriend
or a dying wish of a grandmother
or fear of the wrath of God at death
or fear of drug testing at work
or fear of the law

doesnt matter what is the cause of the goodness, as long as there is goodness. IMO

[edvedr]

i don't mean pretend. i'm making bad choices in words. someone who will sin but think that is ok cause once they ask for forgivness their slate is clean. they go to church and believe and ask for forgiveness and because they do that they r going to heaven. and maybe the people that i know don't really take religion serious but they say they do so thats all i can go on. i have very bad feeling about religion because of some things i went through with the church, i unfortunately let that experience speak for religion in general. maybe i should just keep my mouth shut when it comes to the subject, at least until i am less confused. me not making sense comes from my confusion and i apologize if i offend anyone!

[njjuicer]

i udnerstand i aitn good with expressign ym feelign on here either but alls im sayin is that why say wha tu did when thats not peopel intentions for religion they dotn think le tme sina dn ill eb arlight tomorrow every bod makes bad decisons that they ahve to lvie with they can make attempot to be better but with help of there god they ge tthroguh rguh tiems easier and whateve relse but exaclty i ahte these types of discussion everyoen always gets mad in the end

[njjuicer]

i emant sumone lol :p

[edvedr]

i see your point. my comment came from anger of my church actually telling me that i need to get my act together while people i know r peices of shit r considered to be great people by the church. when i said act, they said yes your participation in church, not being here. i said ok i'll make the effert, then thay said they would monitor my effert from how many times they see my name on a collection envelope!!!!

[edvedr]

PS i'll never respond to a thread on politics or religion again. like u said too many emotions

[njjuicer]

well im a shut up ehre also but imo if u eblvie in god he wotn midn if u miss churhc as logn as ur ehart in teh right spot and u a good person i think tis all good :) but eveyone got ther eown opinion so........... :p

[njjuicer]

yah likwise :)

[batteryreqd]

When you say that why won't he stop the wars, killings and all the other bad things...and why He allows all this stuff to happen? Free will is what He gave us. In fact...there was a movie just out not to long ago called "Bruce Almighty". This really opened up our kids eyes big time. Go see it. It may help answer some things for some people.
One other thing...just because people sit in church every Sunday does not make them a Christian...not anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car.
I myself have had alot of hardships put on me. Lost my father at 15 years old (he was only 42). Got hit head-on and shouldn't have walked away from it. Lost 3 babies with my first wife to get the 2 beautiful ones I do have. Had to get slammed with the news from my first wife that she wanted out as she had met someone else, plus go thru 3 heart surgeries within 14 months time starting with the first one after winding up in a trauma unit for 8 hours (this came 2 months after my first wife left) the last surgery winding up putting a pacemaker in my chest at the age of 35 years old (hence the name batteryreq'd...lol). Tough times never last...but tough people do!