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[Bouncer]

not angered..just tired of people saying leagle gun owners are wrong and the problem..its the people behind them...just like a drunk behind the wheel of a car...not the cars fault:agreed:

I do agree on this point. Just like my pitbull. You always hear of pitbulls attacks but its the god damn owners giving these great dogs such a bad name. The easy answer is get rid of pitbulls and guns. But that feels like a bit of a head in sand mentality to me.

Though it is IMO too easy to get a pitbull or a gun in this country. I happen to be a responsable loving dog owner, but I just as easily could have trained my pit to be aggressive and angry. Same goes for guns. We need to make it harder. More testing to evaluate people etc..

[lipripper]

What are your thoughts on all the irresponsible gun owners? The ones that give this whole gun debate the real fuel.

I have no problem at all with responsable gun owners. I'm sure there are millions who never cause a single problem. But you gotta admit brother, there are a shit ton of retards in this country giving guns a bad name.

If you really look at the gun laws in this country..they are actually very bad/ harsh for the law breakers...the problem is..many are not inforced as they should be...POLITICS..the time sentenced is not completed..they are let out early given parole etc.. so if your not gonna be punished as you should..your already a criminal..whats to stop you from committing the crime again..or for the first time? if they dont care about the punishment...they will continue to commit crimes.

Ill see if I can find a link..it was aug or sept editorial in the NRA magazine..who showed some criminal who was buying guns out of state...In VA I think and bringing them to NY and NJ selling them to gang members. he had been caught doing this..sent to prison and released... never finished his time.. IF the gun laws were held up..he should of had over 1000 years of prison time for all the laws that were broken...he was out in like 5 years and doing it again... with stolen/ fake ID..
this is just one example..

[lipripper]

Criminals..are always gonna break the law..they should be dealt with accordingly...but law abiding citizens who follow the laws, should not have their rights taken away..because of those who dont follow the law. Its very simple actually..even a simple country fuck like me can understand that...

[FitnessBrat]

The problem with guns even being in this thread is that you say you are a lawful carrier and legally own a gun. That's great, I'm 100% for you being able to do that. It just doesn't fit where my daughter is concerned. It is not lawful to have said gun on a college campus. It is not legal to have that gun on her hip "just in case." So as an aspiring medical student, she will absolutely positively be in big trouble should she ever decide to carry a gun and get caught with it.

Also, like TKD pointed out - your daughter gets dressed up and goes to a party of plenty of people she knows. She likely isn't carrying her gun in her underwear because she probably would never feel she needs it there.

I'm in agreeance that you carry because it's what makes you feel safe, and you do it the proper, legal way. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work in this case.

[Bouncer]

I like your point and I find it hard to argue or disagree with. Rare event. I'll give you this one country fucker. [emoji14]

[lipripper]

The problem with guns even being in this thread is that you say you are a lawful carrier and legally own a gun. That's great, I'm 100% for you being able to do that. It just doesn't fit where my daughter is concerned. It is not lawful to have said gun on a college campus. It is not legal to have that gun on her hip "just in case." So as an aspiring medical student, she will absolutely positively be in big trouble should she ever decide to carry a gun and get caught with it.

Also, like TKD pointed out - your daughter gets dressed up and goes to a party of plenty of people she knows. She likely isn't carrying her gun in her underwear because she probably would never feel she needs it there.

I'm in agreeance that you carry because it's what makes you feel safe, and you do it the proper, legal way. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work in this case.

Actually here in GA she can have her pistol because she is licensed on school campus in her car. Im assuming she leaves it in car goes in for class..then back out to it in her car.. all leagle.

As far as what she does on a date..its her choice..she dont have to carry..its if she chooses..and knowing my girl..she does 95% of the time... again..not because shes afraid..or going to bad places..but because she refuses to be a victim Its not to "feel safe"..to be honest..the way the world is now..your not"safe" from random violence any place if you really think about it. just as an easy example..road rage...:agreed:

[lipripper]

Never meant to imply that. I'm sorry.

I get the premise of shooting someone who tries to rape you. I agree with that.

What I'm saying however, is it isn't that simple when you think about what that scenario would look like outside of our heads. Even more so when it comes to being in college living a college life amongst peers.

I understand what your trying to paint a picture of...but honestly..if one of your collage peers..tries to rape you, in the doorm, parkinglot..at a frat party..where ever...hes not a college peer anylonger and the college life style isnt being met..the rules were broken...if you will. Its at that point you have to decide if you want to be a victim or a survivor..

.its just a hard truth.

[rado]

I like your point and I find it hard to argue or disagree with. Rare event. I'll give you this one country fucker. [emoji14]

Perhaps because you're not a gun owner. It's quite easy to own a gun, harder to understand the mechanics of it(not literally)...owning a gun takes much more responsibility, self control, education, and a good understanding of what's in yr hand and the power you have when you're holding it.

When I shoot my pistols or even when they're on me or what not, I completely feel superior and almost as if I'm invincible. Then I realize that's the imaginary part of me being immature and not realizing how easily it is to change someone's life for the better or worse.

[lipripper]

Perhaps because you're not a gun owner. It's quite easy to own a gun, harder to understand the mechanics of it(not literally)...owning a gun takes much more responsibility, self control, education, and a good understanding of what's in yr hand and the power you have when you're holding it.

When I shoot my pistols or even when they're on me or what not, I completely feel superior and almost as if I'm invincible. Then I realize that's the imaginary part of me being immature and not realizing how easily it is to change someone's life for the better or worse.

Funny.. I agree 100% with your first paragraph...not so much with the first half of the second though.I feel just the opposite..Im humbled by it actually.

[rado]

Funny.. I agree 100% with your first paragraph...not so much with the first half of the second though.I feel just the opposite..Im humbled by it actually.

Well I don't truly feel that way, but for a split second...the rush, the smell of the powder, the recoil, etc....that to me is what is so pwerful(no pun)about having a gun in your hand. In other words, you gotta be able to completely be in the right frame of mind. So when I said that, my frame of mind wasn't all there, just for a second:P then I hit reality:thumb:

[Bouncer]

See rado this is my problem with your arguments. You make a statement and then immediately say the opposite. You either do or don't feel a certain way. It can't be both. You have no real opinion on anything. You say what you think sounds right.. Be fucken real.

[Scrumhalf]

This thread went into the crapper pretty fast.

Back on topic, blm, etc. talked about how to protect their daughters in these kinds of situations, but what gets me is how/why the boys get to the state of mind where they either don't understand no means no, or worse, engage in predatory behavior like date rape drugs, etc. What the hell is going on in their upbringing that can lead them to the conclusion that such behavior is acceptable?

[Bouncer]

I would say humans are inherently evil. Scrum you know history and war as much as I do if not more. The level of evil people are capable is unmeasurable. A decent modern society does its best to control the chaos but its always ready to explode in an instant. This is what and who we are.

[TKD]

To make you proud Rip. A picture of my cousin shooting one of my uncles (her dad) guns.:thumb:

[Herc]

All my friends that went to away colleges came home with bad habits drugs gambling . Why not have the kid go to school but still stay at home?