Very Scary Situation - Vertebral Artery Dissection

[Chadd77]

Turbo, im taking Plavix at 75mg per day. I'm curious what your thoughts are:

Coming off with no pct

Coming off and running nova & clomid for pct

Staying on a trt dose so my test levels don't crash

Right now I'm inclined to just come off and not run anything but still curious of your input.

[Bouncer]

Turbo, I'm curious what your thoughts are:

Coming off with no pct

Coming off and running nova & clomid for pct

Staying on a trt dose so my test levels don't crash

Right now I'm inclined to just come off and not run anything but still curious of your input.

i'm not turbo but this is how I would look at it.

as turbo already agreed, the thinner meds are working regardless of your AAS use. with that it mind, I would go about this as 2 separate issues.

forget the blood clot thing for a sec. your already dealing with that properly with the blood thinner meds. lets just concentrate on the AAS issue as if you were coming of normally. what would you usually do? you'd come off but with a proper pct right? that's exactly what you should do IMO.

[rado]

Turbo, im taking Plavix at 75mg per day. I'm curious what your thoughts are:

Coming off with no pct

Coming off and running nova & clomid for pct

Staying on a trt dose so my test levels don't crash

Right now I'm inclined to just come off and not run anything but still curious of your input.

How are you feeling today bro

[Chadd77]

How are you feeling today bro

That's the part that is hard for me. I feel absolutely fine. I have to think about everything I do to make sure I'm not straining any upper body muscles. My little girl wants to wrestle or wants me to pick her up and it's hard for me not to do those type of things.

Thanks for asking I do appreciate it.

[AvidFisherman]

I'm just thinking about how I keep reading that the average steroid user has done enough research to be more educated in AAS than the typical doctor. I don't see how telling your doctor will help because most likely they will be ignorant on how AAS affect your body.

[Scrumhalf]

I'm just thinking about how I keep reading that the average steroid user has done enough research to be more educated in AAS than the typical doctor. I don't see how telling your doctor will help because most likely they will be ignorant on how AAS affect your body.

This is not a juicing issue. This is a life threatening issue with his artery. Not sure how a lifetime of juicing will give one the insight into how AAS interacts with other drugs and affects Chadd's situation.

[Turbo3000]

Mr. I, I have given plenty of advice. Your statements are utter nonsense. He is on an anti platelet, not anticoagulant. There is a difference. Your "snapshot" of viscosity is wrong. Please just stop. Your statements on vessel dilation and construction are wrong.

If I was in his shoes I would just stop the test and do pct. others would continue with test and I bet they would be fine, but that is their choice and NO DOCTOR is going to put his license on the line and give an OK to use illegally manufactured testosterone.

[Chadd77]

Great advice Turbo. Thank you!! Exactly what I was looking for.

[rado]

Mr. I, I have given plenty of advice. Your statements are utter nonsense. He is on an anti platelet, not anticoagulant. There is a difference. Your "snapshot" of viscosity is wrong. Please just stop. Your statements on vessel dilation and construction are wrong.

If I was in his shoes I would just stop the test and do pct. others would continue with test and I bet they would be fine, but that is their choice and NO DOCTOR is going to put his license on the line and give an OK to use illegally manufactured testosterone.

:clapback:

[Bouncer]

This is not a juicing issue. This is a life threatening issue with his artery. Not sure how a lifetime of juicing will give one the insight into how AAS interacts with other drugs and affects Chadd's situation.

That's avids point. The AAS issue doesn't need to be brought up as it's not an AAS issue. The Dr has already given him the drug he needs. Avid was simply responding to those who say Chadd should bring up the AAS issue to his Dr. We already know the Dr response regardless of whether he understands AAS or not.

[lipripper]

Damn bro...Momma and those kids come first...do whats right for your health so you do right by them.. that's whats important.. you can always get back after it when cleared my man..

[Chadd77]

Damn bro...Momma and those kids come first...do whats right for your health so you do right by them.. that's whats important.. you can always get back after it when cleared my man..

Thanks bro. Not worried about coming off. I've been off for years at a time. Just want to make sure I know what to take and not take during this process. 3 months is a drop in the ocean. Although, I'm going to be a skinny little turd by the time my 3 months is up! :D

[Mr I]

Mr. I, I have given plenty of advice. Your statements are utter nonsense. He is on an anti platelet, not anticoagulant. There is a difference. Your "snapshot" of viscosity is wrong. Please just stop. Your statements on vessel dilation and construction are wrong.

If I was in his shoes I would just stop the test and do pct. others would continue with test and I bet they would be fine, but that is their choice and NO DOCTOR is going to put his license on the line and give an OK to use illegally manufactured testosterone.

To say my statements are utter nonsense is wrong.

You'd given your hard line advice before he'd confirmed exactly what meds he'd been prescribed. So that's your first catastrophic error.

You'd also given specific advice relating to platelets only and effectively ignored red blood cell account, that's your second.

Finally you just seemingly excluded testosterone in terms of platelets. In fact testosterone also effects platelets so with your own advice, once we've established on what it's based, you just took yourself out at the legs.

All the talk earlier in the thread and the basis upon which Chadd had asked for advice was on general blood thickness in fact chadd himself used that terminology.

My own general thoughts were simply that if his blood is affected by the test he's taking, they prescribe him meds to regulate the blood, when the blood is in an artificially affected state, then if he comes off aas, but stays at the level of blood meds prescribed initially, would it throw his bloods off in the other direction.

To my mind, the general studies on the effect of TrT dose, on platelet and red blood cell count (which is still relevant along with platelets), are that just TrT dose (say 250 mg every ten days), doesn't throw your bloods out of range but probably puts them in upper range.

So in answering Chadd's question, and for the reasons above that's why I said what I did.

Ultimately though, if chadd is monitored regularly I'm sure he will be fine because they will amend the dosages accordingly, if he chose to come off all aas cold turkey. Also if he's been running slow esters this will help damped the speed of change.

Now blm, me and Rocket have all given blood when on higher dose to keep our blood counts in check so we do have direct experience in the effect of aas on blood. That is as far as I can know for sure in giving advice on blood as far as aas have affected me. But I've also read many clinical studies on aas and their effects for 27 years.

That combined with my own experience does give some credibility whether other people chose to listen is their concern but rest assured I would not pit information forward other than in good faith where people's health is concerned.

I've never done that.

[lipripper]

Thanks bro. Not worried about coming off. I've been off for years at a time. Just want to make sure I know what to take and not take during this process. 3 months is a drop in the ocean. Although, I'm going to be a skinny little turd by the time my 3 months is up! :D

Ahhh..Ive been a skinny little turd for a while...its all in the work ethics:thumb: I hit it hard and put fuckers half my age to shame.. I can only imagine what I would of become had I ever gotten on years ago. Id be a fucking caveman...:rofl::rofl:

[dna9488]

Mr. I and Turbo. You BOTH are beating a dead horse. Take it to the PMs and stopping damaging this thread. We are here to support Chad. Stop having a dick measuring contest